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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: cacran on Friday 09 July 21 22:34 BST (UK)
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I am looking for details on Veronica Mary Jones
I have found her on the 1939 census.
There are two name changes for her change of surname to be Sparks I am not able to read the numbers at the side of that. There was another in green, Hurdley says CR283 9/1/59 Bradford.
I am trying to find details of both her marriages but can't seem to find anything. It is Warwickshire, Birmingham where she lived. Page 10 of 22.
Can any one advise me please?
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Can you include her birthdate from the 1939 entry. You have posted on the WR Yorkshire board but say she lived in Birmingham? Can you clarify?
Are you saying the 1939 entry is under Jones but with 2 subsequent surname changes?
EDIT - Have now found the entry
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There is a death for Veronica M Hurdley, 1968, Wharfedale.
Maybe it is her :-\
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There was another in green, Hurdley says CR283 9/1/59 Bradford.
BRA is the district code for Staines in Middlesex.
https://www.findmypast.com.au/articles/1939-register-enumeration-districts
A CR283 is the form used to notify of a name change. She didn't have to be married to change her name, she may have been just using that surname at the time.
The other looks like it starts with a 'K' and all of the K codes are in Yorkshire.
Debra :)
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I am looking for details on Veronica Mary Jones
I have found her on the 1939 census.
There wasn't a census in 1939! ;D
I think what you are referring to was the 1939 National Register.
A census is a snapshot of where people were on a single specific night.
The 1939 Register was kept updated until the 1990's; mainly by the NHS.
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I am looking for details on Veronica Mary Jones
I have found her on the 1939 census.
There wasn't a census in 1939! ;D
I think what you are referring to was the 1939 National Register.
A census is a snapshot of where people were on a single specific night.
The 1939 Register was kept updated until the 1990's; mainly by the NHS.
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Of course you are correct.Just a wrong figure of speech really :)
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There was another in green, Hurdley says CR283 9/1/59 Bradford.
BRA is the district code for Staines in Middlesex.
https://www.findmypast.com.au/articles/1939-register-enumeration-districts
A CR283 is the form used to notify of a name change. She didn't have to be married to change her name, she may have been just using that surname at the time.
The other looks like it starts with a 'K' and all of the K codes are in Yorkshire.
Debra :)
Thanks for the information. It will help me out in future.
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There is a death for Veronica M Hurdley, 1968, Wharfedale.
Maybe it is her :-\
Thankyou, looks promising.
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Can you include her birthdate from the 1939 entry. You have posted on the WR Yorkshire board but say she lived in Birmingham? Can you clarify?
Are you saying the 1939 entry is under Jones but with 2 subsequent surname changes?
EDIT - Have now found the entry
Veronica was born 14th May 1916.
She was on the Birmingham 1939 record living with her family.
She is shown on birth certificate as being the wife of Stanley Alfred Sparks. He was my Grandfather. He was from London. He left his wife and family, never returning to them after the war. The next they hear of him was when he turned up at his wife's who now lived in Bradford, Yorkshire,with his girlfriend, Veronica and they had a baby boy. Him and Veronica left the baby boy with my Grandma to bring up. Then the baby, who was a boy about age 9, was adopted by a couple.
This boy has been trying to find out who his parents were, he is 75 now. He would be my Uncle. I have been traced by a friend of his.
This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.
I have discovered that she was in Bradford in the early to mid 60's so want to find what happened, who she married and where they lived.
I just want to help out.
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This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.
When and where do you have these marriages taking place
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There is no evidence that Stanley married Veronica. It appears that they had a relationship, a son was born and then at some stage they went their separate ways.
Debra :)
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Hi Cacran,
I have sent you a PM.
Regards....Helen
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This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.
When and where do you have these marriages taking place
I don't have a record, just that on George Edwards birth certificate, Veronica was names as Veronica Mary Sparks formerly Jones. I make the assumption. I have been trying to find a record of these marriages.
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It is not looking likely that she married either of her 'husbands'. She would not have had to prove that she was married when she registered the birth
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It is not looking likely that she married either of her 'husbands'. She would not have had to prove that she was married when she registered the birth
Isn't it strange that you could put whatever name you like on a birth certificate? What would make the authorities put another surname on 1939 register. Wouldn't they have to have seen proof either?
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It is not looking likely that she married either of her 'husbands'. She would not have had to prove that she was married when she registered the birth
Isn't it strange that you could put whatever name you like on a birth certificate? What would make the authorities put another surname on 1939 register. Wouldn't they have to have seen proof either?
No why do think it strange?
An adult in the UK can use whatever name they want to use, there is no official way of changing one's name except by using the new name (there are official ways of changing a child's name) but children's surnames were not put on birth certificates in those days.
No proof of details was asked for census, 1939 Register, Birth, marriage of other official forms until after the late 1980s as far as I know. I cannot remember the exact date offhand.
Cheers
Guy
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This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.
When and where do you have these marriages taking place
I don't have a record, just that on George Edwards birth certificate, Veronica was names as Veronica Mary Sparks formerly Jones. I make the assumption. I have been trying to find a record of these marriages.
First rule of Family History - Never make assumptions ;D
Should also point out that your grandfather was NOT a bigamist, unless he married someone whilst already married to someone else.
He may have had affairs; he may have lived with another woman; he may have fathered children with different women; but he wasn't a bigamist.
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The complication comes with the early years (cir. 17th century and before). Bigamy used to apply if one's husband or wife had died and the surviving spouse married.
Cheers
Guy
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This has lead me to find that she married my Grandfather (bigamist) the married someone with the surname Hurdley.
When and where do you have these marriages taking place
I don't have a record, just that on George Edwards birth certificate, Veronica was names as Veronica Mary Sparks formerly Jones. I make the assumption. I have been trying to find a record of these marriages.
First rule of Family History - Never make assumptions ;D
Should also point out that your grandfather was NOT a bigamist, unless he married someone whilst already married to someone else.
He may have had affairs; he may have lived with another woman; he may have fathered children with different women; but he wasn't a bigamist.
I am looking for details on Veronica Mary Jones
I have found her on the 1939 census.
There wasn't a census in 1939! ;D
I think what you are referring to was the 1939 National Register.
A census is a snapshot of where people were on a single specific night.
The 1939 Register was kept updated until the 1990's; mainly by the NHS.
So firstly I was wrong about calling the National Register a census. Now you are telling my that my grandfather was NOT a bigamist.
I found a marriage between him and another woman in 1950, he was still married to my Grandmother when he died in 1971 as the government had to track her down. I am pretty certain that he wasn't a guy who took his responsibilites seriously, that's for sure.
That is two people on this forum who don't seem to be very nice.
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Does the 1950 marriage for Stanley say whether he is single /widowed /etc