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Title: Holywell
Post by: coppers on Wednesday 07 July 21 20:25 BST (UK)
Hi.   I am doing research into a relative.  Family history says she always said she was born in County Cavan.  The only recod I can find which fits suggests she may have been born in Holywell.  I can see it is now on the border - has it ever been in County Cavan.  Her birth date was 1874.
Many thanks
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:02 BST (UK)
The only recod I can find which fits suggests she may have been born in Holywell.  I can see it is now on the border - has it ever been in County Cavan. 

Holywell is very definitely in Co Fermanagh and it's very unlikely to have ever been in Co Cavan. It's in the townland of Cavancarragh and also adjoins Rushin West.
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clanawley/cleenish/holywell/cavancarragh/
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clanawley/cleenish/holywell/rushin-west/
(Click in a couple of times).

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qqr/

Can you give us her name and the SRD in 1874 (presumably Enniskillen)? Better still a link would help.

KG


Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: coppers on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:30 BST (UK)
Her name is Bridget Cassidy.  I have her DoB as 5th Feb 1874 - This is from the 1939 register.  The only tie I can find is a Bridget Cassidy born Holywell.  BUt as I said she always told family here she was from County Cavan.  If this is the right record I can find records of siblings being born in County Cavan.  So I am thinking that the family moved slightly south around 1877/78.

I am not sure what you are referring to when you ask for the SRD?  Will happily supply if I have it -once I know what it is!  Many thanks Sian
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:41 BST (UK)
I am not sure what you are referring to when you ask for the SRD? 

SRD = Superintentent Registrar's District
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:46 BST (UK)
Here we are - I hope.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03161/2159458.pdf

SRD Enniskillen. Registrar district Holywell

Place of birth Manragh
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: coppers on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:53 BST (UK)
Thank you for this - but I have her birth as 5th not 1st and parents as John Cassidy and Fanny Stuart.
I cant find a SRD number for this entry

On Ancesrty it has a FHL number if that is of any help....?
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: LH on Wednesday 07 July 21 21:58 BST (UK)
Hi

Looking at the top of the Birth Register page - it appears to say Holywell “in the Counties of Fermanagh & Cavan”.

Regards
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 07 July 21 22:00 BST (UK)
Her name is Bridget Cassidy.  I have her DoB as 5th Feb 1874.......

Registrar's District of Holywell in the counties of Fermanagh and Cavan.
Bridget Cassidy born 5th February 1874 at Manragh townland.   MMN Stuart (record found by heywood).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03161/2159458.pdf

Manragh Upper townland, Civil Parish of Killinagh, County Cavan.
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullyhaw/killinagh/tuam/manragh-upper/

Father John Cassidy - 1901 census
Residents of a house 2 in Manreagh Upper (Tuam, Cavan).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Tuam/Manreagh_Upper/1049983/

KG

Snap, LH  ;D
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 07 July 21 22:09 BST (UK)
Thank you for this - but I have her birth as 5th not 1st and parents as John Cassidy and Fanny Stuart.
I cant find a SRD number for this entry

On Ancesrty it has a FHL number if that is of any help....?

The birth I posted has those details
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: coppers on Wednesday 07 July 21 22:13 BST (UK)
Thank you both - school girl error - misread the entry!

That looks like the right record, thank you !  Looking at this it bounces me back to first post - it says Holywell, Fermanagh & Cavan.  I have to admit to not knowing geography of Ireland well and certainly not pre split.  BUt I do know that these counties are next to each other.  So from a research point of view would births from both have Enniskillen as the SRD?  Many thanks Sian
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 07 July 21 22:21 BST (UK)

Cassidy in 1911 census.
Residents of a house 2 in Manragh, Upper (Tuam, Cavan).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Tuam/Manragh__Upper/347379/

Marriage - 3rd February 1873 at Holywell RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11261/8130124.pdf

Fannie Stuart living in the townland of Mullinawiny (sic). Father Robert Stuart, farmer.
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clanawley/cleenish/holywell/mullanawinna/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3898848#map=14/54.3226/-7.9134

So from a research point of view would births from both have Enniskillen as the SRD? 

The SRD of Enniskillen takes in large chunks of both Fermanagh and Cavan but not the full counties.

KG

Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: coppers on Wednesday 07 July 21 22:30 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your help and the documents! 
Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 08 July 21 11:40 BST (UK)
I have to admit to not knowing geography of Ireland well and certainly not pre split.  BUt I do know that these counties are next to each other. 

OP, have a look at this map attachment below. The county of Fermanagh in light green, the county of Cavan in light brown. The dotted lines represent boundaries of Superintendent R.D.'s. So Enniskillen has a small portion of Co Cavan NW of Bawnboy ( and not a large chunk as I said before  ::)).

Has it helped?  ;D

KG

Title: Re: Holywell
Post by: coppers on Thursday 08 July 21 17:03 BST (UK)
Many thanks.  It has.  I think that there is enough information with this and the details on the records is enough to answer the County Cavan question.  She always said she was from County Cavan - and the records seem to support this.  There is also suggestions from the records that she / the family moved from Holywell south, into CC proper.  I am not sure whether she moved with them as I can not track her for the 1901 census.  1911 has her in Cardiff and says she has been 'married' for 14 years (not that I can find a marriage record).  Which woul dmean she should be in Cardiff in 1901 - but nothing.  I have her 'husband' in 11901 - but no trace of her.  All your support and answers on here have given me more detail in regard to her Irish roots - so thank you