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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Elliven on Tuesday 06 July 21 12:22 BST (UK)
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Can anyone please help with the location of a family named Jenkinson (possibly Jackson) in Tanfield Village in the 1841 or 1851 Censuses. I know that they lived in the village during that period but I don't know exactly where. Many thanks.
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Any christian names? 25 entries for surname Jenkinson in Durham in 1851 - none in Tanfield
Have you used www.familysearch.org to look for them?
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Carole W
I have no Christian names and the only mention I have is in an 1848 press report where she was a witness in a court case after having been the victim of a forger who paid her for a bottle of lemonade with a fake shilling!
She was listed as a publican and she was not in the Pack Horse (publican's name Irwin) or the Peacock (publican's name Stott) but there was another pub in the old Tudor House which stood on the site of what is now Tudor Drive - not to be confused with the nearby Tanfield Hall which was also a Tudor house!. The name of this pub is unknown.
I was hoping to get more clues if I can identify her as the occupant of that old Tudor house.
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A look at the 1851 Census confirms that in addition to Stott and Irwin being innkeepers there was a third inn (name unknown). The innkeeper in 1851 was an ancestor of my wife's -- Jacob Rowell -- he was also a tailor (followed his father's footsteps)
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AllanUK,
That is very interesting! The third pub was previously believed to have closed by about 1843 so that will become another line of enquiry. If only I could find the name of that third pub.
There is a suggestion that it might have been the Britannia but no solid evidence to back it up. Do you have any idea of how long he was there?
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AllanUK,
That is very interesting! The third pub was previously believed to have closed by about 1843 so that will become another line of enquiry. If only I could find the name of that third pub.
There is a suggestion that it might have been the Britannia but no solid evidence to back it up. Do you have any idea of how long he was there?
I'll get back to you tomorrow after I have looked at my wife's family tree.
Allan
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Two newspapers name the landlady as "Mrs Jackson" - one names her as "Mrs Jenkinson"?
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Thanks for that information. I will try looking for a Mrs Jackson, just in case!
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hanes teulu
Can you please give me the names and dates of the two newsapers you found with the name of Mrs Jackson. Thanks
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I think the newspapers were Newcastle Courant & Durham County Advertiser of 30 June 1848.
A possibility for Mrs Jackson is the former Catherine Dobie of Tanfield, daughter of Sarah Dobie.
1841 census at Tanfield
Sarah Dobie 85 Inn Keeper
Eleanor Ayres 40
John Jackson 30 Surgeon
Cath Jackson 35
Newcastle Courant 17 Feb 1837
MARRIED the 16th Ult at Tanfield, Mr John Brice Jackson, surgeon of Tantobie, to Catherine, daughter of Sarah Dobie of Tanfield.
ADDED: I think John Brice Jackson may otherwise be John Bird Jackson, who died in 1845.
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Found Catherine in 1851 - she's at Upper Buxton Street, All Saints, Newcastle HO107/2407/125/48
Catharine Jackson 51 Widow, Owner of Houses, b Tanfield
Eleanor Morland 39 Visitor, Widow b Beamish
Sarah E Morland 8 b Newcastle
Joseph J Morland 4 b Newcastle
Jane Dunn 30 Visitor b Dinnington
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Jomot
Thank you Jomot. If you are right (and I hope you are!) you have just given me the name of the third pub in Tanfield Village.
In 1828 Sarah Dobie was the landlady of a pub named the Wheatsheaf at Tanfield and I had previously thought this was the Commercial at Tantobie (previously named the Wheatsheaf) but discounted it as I already had a licensee there for that period.
Your statement regarding the marriage places John Jackson from Tantobie and Catherine Dobie from Tanfield - both were in the parish of Tanfield but this suggests that she was not only from the parish but also the village of Tanfield.
This statement fits all the circumstances and clears up the mystery of apparently two licensees at Tantobie - when only one person can hold the licence.
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Jomot,
Your second post shows Catherine was a widow living in Newcastle in 1851. This also fits with other known circumstances as the 1851 census also shows that the third pub in Tanfield had an innkeeper named Jacob Rowell so Catherine obviously moved out some time after her husband's death.
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Looking hopeful then :) Better still....
Newcastle Guardian, 18 Sept 1852
Tanfield Horticultural Society.—On Saturday week, the first meeting of this society was held at Mr Rowell's, Wheat Sheaf Inn
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Jomot,
That is absolutely fantastic as I am also in touch with the husband of one of Mr Rowell's descendents. I will have to get a copy of that article and pass it on to him. He gave me the information about Jacob Rowell and pushed the date forward from 1843 (when I thought the pub closed) to 1851. Now you have pushed it forward another year!
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Jomot,
That is absolutely fantastic as I am also in touch with the husband of one of Mr Rowell's descendents. I will have to get a copy of that article and pass it on to him. He gave me the information about Jacob Rowell and pushed the date forward from 1843 (when I thought the pub closed) to 1851. Now you have pushed it forward another year!
Good morning,
I have found the newspaper article that Jomot came up with (thank you Jomot). I have looked at my wife's family tree and I can confirm that Jacob Rowell and family were still living in Northumberland in 1847 when their 4th child was born -- they were living in a village called Ovingham which is near to Wylam on the banks of the River Tyne east of Hexham. They were still living at Ovingham in January 1848 when their 4th son was baptised at the church of St Mary the Virgin. This would suggest that Jacob and his family moved to Tanfield sometime between February 1848 and March 1851 when the Census was taken.
I hope that this little snippet helps you.
Allan
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It certainly does! The last mention of Catherine Jackson in the pub was in 1848 so it looks like he moved to take over the pub after her husband died. Perhaps she kept the pub going until Jacob Rowell took over and he moved to Tanfield for that specific purpose. I can't see him moving from Ovingham to Tanfield for any other reason.
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It certainly does! The last mention of Catherine Jackson in the pub was in 1848 so it looks like he moved to take over the pub after her husband died. Perhaps she kept the pub going until Jacob Rowell took over and he moved to Tanfield for that specific purpose. I can't see him moving from Ovingham to Tanfield for any other reason.
Jacob was following in his father's footsteps -- his father (also called Jacob) was a Tailor and Innkeeper (Black Bull, WYlam). I agree with your thoughts that he took over the Wheat Sheaf after Catherine lost her husband. I have searched local newspapers in the hope that I could find when the licence was changed to Jacob but I haven't found anything.
Allan
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AllanUK
I can tell you that the pub closed its doors for the final time in 1854/55 as conversion of the building to apartments took place around that time.
Do you happen to know what happened to him after that? Did he return to being a tailor or did he take on another pub?
Neville
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AllanUK
I can tell you that the pub closed its doors for the final time in 1854/55 as conversion of the building to apartments took place around that time.
Do you happen to know what happened to him after that? Did he return to being a tailor or did he take on another pub?
Neville
Hi Neville,
Thank you for letting us know when the Wheatsheaf Inn closed it's doors.
Jacob continued to live in Tanfield working as a Tailor / Draper. He died on 7 December 1892, he was living at Clough Dene House, Tanfield.
Allan
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I am not sure exactl which house that is but Clough Dene had some quality housing - and still has today. It is a nice area well away from the main village so I imagine he was doing quite well!
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I am not sure exactl which house that is but Clough Dene had some quality housing - and still has today. It is a nice area well away from the main village so I imagine he was doing quite well!
The 1861 Census records that he was employing 2 men, the 1871 Census shows that he was employing 5 men and the 1881 Census shows that he was employing 7 men. Yes, he must have been doing quite well.
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Do any of those censuses show a house number in the address? Or do they only show census numbers? I am having trouble trying to locate the actual house.
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Do any of those censuses show a house number in the address? Or do they only show census numbers? I am having trouble trying to locate the actual house.
Sorry, no house numbers only census numbers.
The 1881 Census for the hamlet of Clough Dene records all residents as living in Clough Dene except for Jacob Rowell and family who are recorded as residing at Clough Dene House.
The 1891 Census shows that Jacob was residing at Dene House. The entries on the same page before him show families living at Harrison Houses (numbers 1 and 2); Swinburn Houses (numbers 1 and 2) and Henderson House. The entries immediately after Jacob show Clough Dene; Wildcat Houses (numbers 1 and 2) and finally Town Head Farm.
Jacob's will shows that he was 'of Clough Dene' when he died in 1892.
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Clough Dene House (Rowels House in one national census) is definitely the big last house on the left hand side travelling from Tantobie to the Pickering Nook garage. I have a very old photograph of it when it was a market garden.
Wild Cat House was demolished many years ago but there is now a recently built Wild Cat House.
McTalbert
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Thank you McTalbert,
A friend of mine is a member of the family who owned the Market Garden did not know where Clough Dene House was but she thought it might be an earlier name for that house.
I am familiar with the current Wild Cat House but it is obviously too modern to be the same building and I have been told that the original was actually two houses.
In any event, your information is very helpful.
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Clough Dene House (Rowels House in one national census) is definitely the big last house on the left hand side travelling from Tantobie to the Pickering Nook garage. I have a very old photograph of it when it was a market garden.
Wild Cat House was demolished many years ago but there is now a recently built Wild Cat House.
McTalbert
Thank you for this information.
My wife's ancestor, Jacob Rowell, lived for many years at Clough Dene House but she is unaware that it was called Rowels House in a Census, could you tell me which Census it was in please? Also (very cheekily) is there any chance of you letting my wife have a scanned image of the old photograph that you mentioned?
Thank you,
Allan
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AllanUK,
1901 Census. Search for Robert PROUD, a market gardener aged 61, or Thomas CHRISP, a coalminer aged 29, both of whom lived in Rowels House.
The Jeffery's purchased the house in the 1920's - 1940's. Harry Jeffery, now deceased gave me a conducted tour of the house, included the top floor, which he said was rented by a tailor at one time. He also explained that the grounds had been used as a market garden.
As far as the photographs are concerned, I will dig them out and send them as soon as possible. I have a couple, including one of Fiddlers Row, in the side road opposite Clough Dene road, if you want a copy.
McTalbert.
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AllanUK,
Correction.
As far as the photographs are concerned, I will dig them out and send them as soon as possible. I have a couple, together with one of Fiddlers Row, in the side road opposite Clough Dene house, if you want a copy.
McTalbert
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AllanUK,
Sorry, I had to go out but I see that McTalbert has responded so that is a good solution.
McTalbert,
The idea of the top floor being rented explains a lot, thanks
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Good morning,
McTalbot -- thank you for the pointer to the 1901 Census and also the bit about the top floor of the house being rented by a tailor -- this points towards Jacob Rowell OR one of the tailors that he employed. My wife says ' yes please' to your offer of the photographs.
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AllanUK,
Photo 1 of 4
McTalbert
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AllanUK,
Photo 2 of 4,
Mactalbert
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AllanUK,
Photo 3 of 4.
Mctalbert
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AllanUK,
Photo 3 of 4
McTalbert
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AllanUK,
Photo 4 of 4
Mctalbert
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McTalbert
Thank you very much for the images, my wife is 'over the moon' with the ones showing Clough Dene House.
Great image of Fiddler's Row!!
Allan
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AllanUK,
Good.
I am pleased that your wife is delighted.
Has she got the Tanfield Parish Register entries for the ROWELLS?
McTalbert.
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AllanUK,
Good.
I am pleased that your wife is delighted.
Has she got the Tanfield Parish Register entries for the ROWELLS?
McTalbert.
Good afternoon,
She has a good few but probably not all as like all family tree researchers, the archives have been out of bounds. She is hoping to get back to Durham Archives when things get a bit more normal.
Allan
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Elliven,
GREEN TREE INN
Photo 1 of 2
McTalbert
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Elliven,
GREEN TREE INN
Photo 2 of 2
McTalbert
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Always good to see photos of old pubs