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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: Lauraine on Sunday 27 June 21 04:05 BST (UK)
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My 3x great grandfather Archibald Herd/Hird 1800-1880, had a brother called James Blair Herd, 1798-1879, whose two sons, David and Alexander, went to Australia and on to New Zealand where they settled. David married a girl called Hellen or Helen in Scotland and they travelled on the Ticonderoga with a small baby. Must have been very difficult. Anyways she died at age 14 in New Zealand. What I am trying to find out is just where in Scotland they sailed from or at least where they were living in Scotland? Believe they left Scotland in 1850's.
Can anyone help me out? I live in Canada so the research in New Zealand is coming from other people.
It seems there was another David Herd who travelled to New Zealand and trying to see where he fits in - if at all - with my family.
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Hi
Liverpool is the departure from UK if I have the right family.
How they went to Liverpool can't say.
With Helen were David and Margaret HERD
Other details are available if needed.
Helen HERD
Nationality Scottish
Arrival Age 23
Birth Date abt 1829
Departure Place Liverpool
Arrival Date22 Dec 1852
Arrival Place Melbourne and Victoria, Australia
Ship Ticonderoga
Sue
ADDING
HERD
Native County for David , Helen and Margaret is an abbreviation for Forfarshire maybe Forfash
And for James, Elizabeth and Isabella looks like is Fife.
Sue
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Here is the next part of their journey to New Zealand.
Mrs HERD born 1831
D HERD born 1828
Margt HERD born 1852
Dec 1854
To NELSON AND WELLINGTON N.Z.
Per MARCHIONESS
Sue
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Passengers
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18541230.2.10.1?end_date=31-12-1855&items_per_page=10&query=Herd+marchioness&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839
A lot of the New Zealand records are free to search in line.
Papers past (in above link) often has surprising information
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I wonder if any of these births are the same family
1858/72 Herd Elizabeth Helen David
1864/21297 Herd Georgina Isabel Helen David A. **.
1860/9432 Herd David James Helen David
1862/4420 Herd Hellen Hellen David
1865/13198 Herd William Henry Hellen David
1868/20381 Herd Alexander Palmer Hellen David @@
1874/26824 Herd Arthur Penrose Hellen David @@
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dBirthSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
Added.
But see reply 11.. Re Tuapeka David
**. Think this is probably a Tuapeka one but the rest Blenheim one
However I havent checked properly
@@ are definitely Blenheim
Also, they had a daughter named Ann who married John Black
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A native of Dundee.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX19050621.2.24?end_date=31-12-1905&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=David+herd&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA.rev&start_date=01-01-1905&title=MDTIM%2cMEX%2cMPRESS%2cPGAMA
His will
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE63432250
His death printout. 1905/5324 Herd David 75Y
Should give you the following information
Deceased
When and where died
Name and surname
Rank or profession or occupation
Sex and Age
Detail of Death
Cause of death
Duration of last illness
Medical attendant who certified the cause of death and when they last saw the deceased
Parents
Name and Surname of father
Name and if known maiden surname of mother
Rank or profession or occupation of father
Burial Details
When and where buried
Name and Religion of Minister or name of witness of burial
Birth Details
Where born
How long in New Zealand
Marriage Details
Where married
At what age married
Children
If living issue, the number, age and sex
To whom married
Informant
Signature, description and residence of informant
If the entry is a correction of a former entry signature of witnesses
Who witnessed the correction.
Registrar
Signature of registrar
Date of registration
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As far as I can make out so far
This David Herd is in the Marlborough region (top east of South Island)
The other David Herd seems to be at Tuapeka. Lower East South Island.
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https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE64270575
Will for Helen
Her death
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MEX19091112.2.14?end_date=31-12-1909&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=herd+&snippet=true&start_date=01-11-1909&title=MDTIM%2cMEX%2cMPRESS%2cPGAMA
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I think this might be David and Helen's daughter Margaret's birth or christening entry in the OPRs:
Margaret HERD
Parents DAVID HERD/MILLA KIDD
Date 25/01/1852
282/200 74
Dundee
Helen is showing as Helen Kidd in some family details. Not sure if the above is a mistranscription on the Scotlands People index and the original image would show something different (or the same!).
Monica
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Possible marriage or banns:
Millia KIDD/David HERD
14/12/1849
282/230 299
Dundee
Can't see anything for them so far in 1851 :-\
ADDED: SP have both these indexed with the same ref of 282/ 29/ 39 - Dundee:
David Herd 21
Amelia Herd 22
FreeCen don't have this entry on their transcript and A/try have these entries not linked and transcribed as follows:
Daivd Heed, 27, Spinny Mill Sanbudler b. Dundee
Amelia Heed, 22
Address: Scouring Burn, Dundee
Find my Past have them as Head and David's age as 21.
Monica
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FindMyPast has David's occupation as spinning mill yarn binder.
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Wouldnt you know it, the Tuapeka ones wife is also named Helen!
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18950418.2.117?items_per_page=10&query=David+herd+tuapeka&snippet=true
And a daughter Helen, eldest daughter
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT18770120.2.4?items_per_page=10&query=David+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
Another daughter
Margaret Elizabeth, 3rd daughter
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT18911230.2.3?items_per_page=10&query=David+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
THat David Herd died 1903
David Anderson HERD
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT19030318.2.7?items_per_page=10&query=David+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
He was from Peterhead
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT19030318.2.10?items_per_page=10&page=2&query=David+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
Georgina Isabel. Second daughter
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19310512.2.41?items_per_page=10&query=David+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
Thomas Riddle youngest son
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18941103.2.8?items_per_page=10&query=David+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
John Alexander third son
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18930418.2.85?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=+herd+wetherstones&snippet=true
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Wow! Want to thank everyone who replied. The Wills are interesting and its amazing how much extra information you gathered about their departing on the ship to Australia and then to New Zealand. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ;) ;)
I am most fortunate as someone living in New Zealand has doctored up my files so they read much better. Thank you again.
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I am a relative of David Herd & I am doing the family tree. James Blair Herd was David Herd's father.
David Herd that married Hellen (Ellen) Kidd 1828 - 1909 and they had their first daughter Margaret in Scotland, before leaving from Liverpool on the Ticonderoga and landing in Melbourne on 22 December 1852.
Their second child John was born in Collingwood, Victoria and then they moved to New Zealand, landing in Nelson in December 1854.
Here is a list of their children:
Margaret Herd 1852 1866
John Herd 1854 1939
Ann Herd 1856 1907
Elizabeth Herd 1858 1863
David James Herd 1860 1936
Hellen Herd 1863 1931
William Henry Herd 1865 1931
Alexander Palmer Herd 1868 1925
Margaret Herd 1871 1937 (the second Margaret Herd)
Thomas Riddell Herd 1872 1956
Arthur Penrose Herd 1874 1960
I am a descendant of Alexander Palmer Herd.
David Herd was the first person to grow wine in Marlborough.
Let me know if you would like more information.
Kindest regards
Carol