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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Chucky_60 on Wednesday 23 June 21 06:42 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone. this will be a bit long winded.
Robert Vaughan b:1852 Sydney - d:1933 Mortdale, Sydney. Robert is my 2xgreat grandfather and that is confirmed. His baptism states that his father was also Robert and mother was Margaret Lynch. Thats where is goes dead on his parents. I have his records sorted 2 marriages, kids etc.
My great grandfather was Henry Neville Livingstone Vaughan b:1884 d:1972.
Now there is some confusion amongst the family as they also have a Henry Edward Vaughan b: 1842 Sydney d: 1901 Katoomba in the mix.
His father was Henry John b: 1791 Isleworth, England d: 1871 Sydney. He was a convict and eventually a very successful business man, as was Henry Edward. Realestate.
The family has heaps of photos and stuff of Henry Edward and they believe that he our 2x great grandfather. All my research and some personal notes from my grandmother point to Robert Vaughan.
One more thing Henry John is believed to have left a wife behind in England with possibly for children. A wild guess but could one of them be Robert?
How can I go about finding out the connection?
Thanks heaps
Chucky
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If your research gives you -
"Robert VAUGHAN b:1852 Sydney - d:1933 Mortdale.....is my 2xgreat grandfather and that is confirmed".
Why are you interested in another researcher's suggestion? -
"...Henry Edward (VAUGHAN) and they believe that he our 2x great grandfather."
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Hi Chucky,
Was Robert the youngest child? If not, then likely the births of his younger siblings would be registered after February 1856. 1 March 1856 saw the commencement of civil registrations in NSW, and the informant was required to supply lots of information that was not needed for noting on baptisms. The civil registration process required details about the baby's older siblings. So for example, the birth cert (or official transcription) for Robert's youngest sibling, if in the civil registration process, will have details about their parents (ages, places of birth, mum's maiden name, dad's occupation, when and where married) and about the older children of that marriage, AND for the baby whose birth is being registered, then there's also the info about where they were born, the name/signature of the person registering the birth and their relationship to that baby, and the names of the witnesses (including perhaps the midwife and the assistant).
If given the option, the official transcription is as good as the more expensive real deal certificate, and better still it has been transcribed by experienced people familiar with the handwriting of those deputy registrars from that era. So if you know the name of the youngest child, and they were born in NSW after Feb 1856, their NSW birth official transcription should give you a huge picture of the family unit for around $Au20.00
JM
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By 1860, living in Sydney, there were at least four adults by name of Henry VAUGHAN.
A miller, a hairdresser, a dealer, an auctioneer.
JM
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Is this the marriage of the parents of your Henry William Livingstone VAUGHAN?. You need to see this record.
BDM NSW marriage
1972/1883 VAUGHAN Robert x. EVERSON May H(annah) E(lizabeth) @ Sydney
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Hi JM
To answer your question Robert Vaughan b:1852 Sydney - d:1933 Mortdale is the only record that I have been able to find. I don't know if he has any siblings and by default if he is the youngest child.
He married twice Jane Purcell in 1876 and May Hannah Elizabeth Everson in 1883. I have all of the records for both marriages and the children.
It's his parents that are the roadblock. His baptism register says they are Robert and Margaret Lynch. I have not been able to find anything for a marriage or birth and death records of either Robert or Margaret.
If I can firm up those details I might be able to then work out what the relationship with Henry Edward Vaughan and Henry John Vaughan is.
Oh, I'm reluctant to spend the $35 that NSW ask for if there is no more information on the register than I already have.
The other comment about Henry Neville Livingstone Vaughan, yes Robert and May H. E. Everson are his parents.
Cheers
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I did not suggest you purchase the real deal $35 cert.
I did write about the Official Transcription and so I now again mention at present the cost is around $20.
Can you please type up the information from his baptism record that you hold. Please include the denomination and the clergyman and the parish.
JM
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Ancestry Sydney Parishes
St Mattias Paddington baptism 11 Aug 1886
VAUGHAN Henry Neville Livingstone b. 1 Jul 1884
VAUGHAN Leslie Rupert b. 10 Jun 1886
parents Robert and May Hannah Elizabeth res. 29 John St
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Ancestry Sydney Anglican Parishes
St Peters Woolloomooloo 27 Dec 1883
VAUGHAN Robert widower chromoprinter full age b. Sydney res. Darlinghaurst
Parents Robert VAUGHAN Elizabeth MINNETT
EVERSON Mary Hannah Elizabeth spinster full age b. Sydney res. Woollahra
Parents John Edward EVERSON, farmer, May Hannah YOULE
Wittness C. A. (J?) SIMPSON C. *. BREWER
(parents for Robert VAUGHAN....deceased. Unsure if it means father and/or mother)
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Thank you and I must apologise!
I'm new to this and I didn't know about the transcript service. I have palced an order.
I will wait until I get the transcript back before I continue.
Regards
Chucky
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At reply #4 I suggested that this marriage certificate would be useful to your research -
BDM NSW marriage
1972/1883 VAUGHAN Robert x. EVERSON May H(annah) E(lizabeth) @ Sydney
At reply #8 I have located this marriage record on Ancestry, and transcribed the information. It is interesting to see that your Henry William Livingstone VAUGHAN, at second marriage, 1883, has named his mother to be Elizabeth MINNETT.
You have not mentioned this name in your enquiry so it would seem that this name is not familiar to you?.
You do not need to buy a transcription of the 1883 marriage record.
The information on the earlier marriage of Robert VAUGHAN would be useful to your research. Are you able to alter your transcription order?.
NSW BDM marriage
728/1876 VAUGHAN Robert marr. PURCELL Jane @ Sydney
Also -
NSW BDM birth
169/1877 VAUGHAN Robert J H parents Robert / Jane @ Sydney (24 Nov 1876)
death
600/1877 VAUGHAN Jane parents Thomas / Mary A @ Sydney (4 Apr 1877)
If this is your Jane VAUGHAN, then husband Robert, father of baby Robert, does not marry again until 1883.
Who is raising this small child for 6 years? Might be VAUGHAN family...or PURCELL family?
Interesting to consider while you wait for the transcription.
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It is interesting to see that your Henry William Livingstone VAUGHAN, at second marriage, 1883, has named his mother to be Elizabeth MINNETT.
The information on the earlier marriage of Henry William Livingstone VAUGHAN would be useful to your research. Are you able to alter your transcription order?.
NSW BDM marriage
728/1876 VAUGHAN Robert marr. PURCELL Jane @ Sydney
Where you have written Henry William Livingstone VAUGHAN I think you mean Robert?
The son Henry's second forename was Neville, not William.
Debra :)
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Parents Robert VAUGHAN Elizabeth MINNETT
This may be the parents' marriage:
413/1852
V1852413 98
VAUGHAN, ROBERT
WINNETT, MARY I
LD
LD = Sydney, St Mary's Roman Catholic
Familysearch has her first names as Mary Isabel.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZJ-M9H
A Mary WINNETT arrived in 1841 from Ireland with her parents and siblings, one of whom was named Neville.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT7Q-WBX
Debra :)
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Robert's death:
VAUGHAN, ROBERT
5427/1933
Father: ROBERT
Mother: MARY
ROCKDALE
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16986547
VAUGHAN - The Relatives and friends of Mr and Mrs ROBERT VAUGHAN, Mr and Mrs HENRY VAUGHAN, Mr and Mrs GILBERT HENDERSON, Mr and Mrs THOMAS HALL, Mr and Mrs ALLAN VAUGHAN, Mr and Mrs JACK ADAMS, and FAMILIES and of Mr STEWART VAUGHAN are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of their beloved FATHER and GRANDFATHER Robert Vaughan Senr of Leswell, Newman street, Penshurst which will leave Medcalf's Funeral Chapel 172 Redfern street Redfern on TUESDAY MORNING at 10.15 for the Waverley Cemetery
Debra :)
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There are a number of notices when Robert's wife May nee EVERSON died in 1921 and this one in particular references Robert's mother Mary BREWER.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15938083
VAUGHAN - The Friends of Mr. ROBERT VAUGHAN SEN., and of LESLIE, EDITH, ALLAN, STEWART, and SYLVIA, and of Mrs. MARY BREWER, are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of their beloved WIFE, MOTHER, and DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, which will leave her late residence, Leswell, Newman-street, Penshurst, TO-DAY, at 12.30, for the Waverley Cemetery.
One of the witnesses to Robert's second marriage was a C.L. BREWER (not entirely sure about those initials).
Debra :)
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Robert Jnr. had a half sister.
Birth
VAUGHAN, AUGUSTA E B B
718/1868
Father: Not named
Mother: MARY I
SYDNEY
Marriage
148/1889
BREWER, AUGUSTE E B
CROFT, ARTHUR H
SYDNEY
Death
CROFT, AUGUSTA EMILY
24694/1937
Father: AUGUSTUS
Mother: MARY
RYDE
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17401166
CROFT - November 14, 1937, Augusta E., beloved wife of Arthur H. Croft, of 27 Young Street, Annandale, and loving mother of Robert Stanley, and Sydney Frank, aged 68 years.
Electoral rolls show her full name as Augusta Emily Blanche, and I daresay the second 'B' on the VAUGHAN birth registration would be BREWER.
Debra :)
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I love your work Debra! Great sleuthing.
I’m just adding some details about the Winnetts ….
Immigration records for the WINNETT family
1841 onboard “United Kingdom”
Richard Winnett, 28, carpenter, born Wicklow, protestant, read and write
Elizabeth Winnett, 30, House Keeper born Dublin, protestant, read and write
Children – all born Dublin:
• Joseph 9 (born 1832) He died Sydney 1865
• Mary 7 (born 1834) who we think married Robert Vaughan in 1852
• Neville 3 (born 1838 ) He died Rockdale 1908
More children born to this couple in Australia: Henry Winnett 1843 -1902, Elizabeth C Winnett 1845, possibly others ....
There is a criminal record for Richard Winnett (forgery) at NSW Archives which contains useful biographical information, and informs the family were in the Merriwa / Muswellbrook area at the time.
It contains a fantastic!! photo from 1873
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=INDEX2061782&context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&search_scope=Everything&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=default_tab&query=any,contains,richard%20winnett&offset=0
Account of forgery in Trove
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18752372?searchTerm=%22richard%20winnett%22
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While waiting for Chucky to get back with certificates,(possibly a little while with Sydney now closed down), I have been looking at possible Robert Vaughans ....
• His marriage to Mary Winnett was Roman Catholic, even though the Winnett family were protestant.
• His son was a printer – so likely he came from a background with education.
• There might be some link to Muswellbrook district where the Winnett family were.
This one fellow below interested me, - the marriage record for Robert Vaughan to Mary I Winnett might shed some light.
Robert Vaughan (CONVICT) per Dunvegan Castle (2)
Arrived NSW 16 Oct 1832 (bonded on arrival)
Prisoner 32/2608
Native of Dublin
19 years old
Roman Catholic
Can read and Write
Profession – Attorney Clerk
Crime – stealing books
Tried Dublin city 12 April 1832
Sentence 7 years
Former conviction 6 weeks
Complexion Ruddy & a little freckled, hair brown, eyes hazel;
Robert Vaughan (per Dun Castle) - Pheonix Hulk Discharge book
5 Nov 1832 – good behaviour
Robert Vaughan (per Dun Castle) Newcastle Gaol Entrance Book
Committed At Muswellbrook 28 Dec 1840
Crime – “Supposed illegally at large”
Discharged 7 Jan 1841
Certificate of Freedom no 41/134, date 30th Jan 1841
Robert Vaughan – per Dunvegan Castle 1832
Native Place Dublin
Trade Attorney Clerk
Place & date of Trial Dublin city, 12 April 1832
Year of birth 1813
Complexion Ruddy, Hair Brown, Eyes Hazel
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Other thoughts Re: Augusta Emily Blanche (Brewer) Vaughan born in 1868 to Mary Isabel Winnett.
Do we assume then that Mary’s husband Robert was dead at this point?
In 1863 there is a death recorded in Paterson NSW of a Robert Vaughan (Parents James and Eliza)
The only son of Robert Vaughan and Jane Purcell was named Robert JAMES Hugh Vaughan b. 1876
Is the name James significant?
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In 1863 there is a death recorded in Paterson NSW of a Robert Vaughan (Parents James and Eliza)
That was the death of a child.
Birth
VAUGHAN, ROBERT
11881/1862
Father: JAMES
Mother: ELIZA
PATERSON
I really want it to be this guy because he was so interesting.
1865
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13116353
The barque Novelty sailed from Auckland on the evening of the 8th instant, heavy head winds having prevailed. For the last 5 days she has been within 300 miles of these Heads. A steerage passenger, named Robert Vaughan, died on the 12th instant in an epileptic fit, being at the same time suffering from delerium tremens.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/64141478
VAUGHAN - At sea, on board the barque Novelty, on the 12th July, Robert Vaughan, aged 31 years, for many years connected with the Victoria and Prince of Wales Theatres, of this city, leaving a wife and child to mourn their loss.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65463944
In our advertising columns will be found notified a concert to take place at the Masonic Hall on Wednesday next, on behalf of the widow of Mr Robert Vaughan who died on his return passage to Sydney from New Zealand. Mr Vaughan was well known in this city both as an excellent musician, and a first rate cricketer, and we hope, and indeed have no doubt, that his fellow countrymen will muster strongly on the occasion, both out of respect to the dead, and in sympathy for his bereaved wife.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/166661081
Concert - A complimentary concert was given on Wednesday evening, at the Masonic Hall, for the benefit of the widow and orphan of the late Robert Vaughan, known to many in this city as a piccolo player in the orchestra of one ef the theatres, but perhaps better known as an old cricketer. The services of some of the most talented musical amateurs in Sydney were obtained in furtherance of the benevolent object of the concert.
This Robert VAUGHAN was a professional flautist and also played in the NSW first eleven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vaughan_(cricketer)
Sands Directories - 1864
VAUGHAN, Robert, Musician, 531 Kent Street
Debra :)
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Debra, I also came across the musician Robert Vaughan in the papers, but had not looked in any further detail yet, as you have. I agree he is interesting, especially as his age is a better fit, than the convict Robert Vaughan.
I hope some marriage documents will give us the answers. ;)
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Adding this to the mix – it might be the family of the “Cricketer– Flautist” Robert Vaughan
OR SOMEONE ELSE DIFFERENT?
Onboard the barque “Eliza” from Liverpool to Hobart - arriving 10 May 1833
Passengers listed for NSW - Mr & Mrs Vaughan and 1 child
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Unassisted Immigrant Passengers to NSW
Vessel: “Caroline”; Departed Hobart Town
Arrived Port Jackson 30 May 1833
Passengers from Ireland Michael Vaughan (labourer), Catharine Vaughan, Robert Vaughan (aged 1)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12846939?searchTerm=%22michael%20Vaughan%22
NSW Electoral Rolls
1845-46 - Michael Vaughan – dwelling house - Pitt Street
(I see the Richard Winnett family were also living in Pitt St in the 1840s)
1848-49 & 1850-52 - Michael Vaughan – dwelling house - Liverpool Street
Michael Vaughan - Hay and Corn Dealer, Liverpool St or William Street Woolloomooloo (1854)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12952381?searchTerm=%22michael%20Vaughan%22
Michael Vaughan died 2 March 1857 at William Street Woolloomooloo – age 54 (born abt. 1803)
2 indexed items:
Death: VAUGHAN MICHAEL 147/1857 SYDNEY
Father’s name ROBERT mother’s name UNKNOWN
Death: VAUGHAN MICHAEL 2236/1857 V18572236 143 AGE 54
Newspaper:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/59865953?searchTerm=%22michael%20Vaughan%22
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229956388?searchTerm=%22michael%20Vaughan%22
Michael Vaughan Probate:
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=ADLIB_RNSW112576181&context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&search_scope=Everything&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=default_tab&query=any,contains,michael%20vaughan&offset=0
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Confirming info:
Tasmania Names index https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/619564
Michael VAUGHAN departure 20 May 1833 from Hobart per Eliza to Sydney. CUS33/1/2 p33
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/619565
Mrs VAUGHAN, wife of Michael departed 20 May from Hobart per Eliza to Sydney. CUS33/1/2 p33
https://stors.tas.gov.au/NI/619566
Child of Michael and Wife departure 20 May 1833 from Hobart per Eliza to Sydney. CUS33/1/2 p33
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I wonder if the Tas Names Index entry 'Eliza' is referring to the ship of arrival rather than the ship they departed on??
JM
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Hi JM.
As far as I could work out, they came from Liverpool to Hobart on 'Eliza", and then from Hobart to Sydney on "Caroline". ... but I may have misunderstood.
Added- Or “Caroline” could be a transcription error from Ancestry?
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Yes, I think that is so. I think the index headings are perhaps a tad too abbreviated at times.
JM