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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Galium on Monday 21 June 21 21:45 BST (UK)
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Please, does anybody know if there are parish records for this place available anywhere online? I am interested in events around the 1770s. The familysearch catalogue doesn't seem to have anything at all for Kasendorf specifically, or for the district of Kulmbach until the nineteenth century.
Thank you in advance to anyone who can help.
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Try mailing the church
https://www.kirche-kasendorf.de/
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Thanks davecapps, I shall do that.
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Names and Places would help us narrow down your search
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The place I am interested in is Kasendorf, but it's a fairly tenuous link that I'm trying to follow up.
There was a printer and bookseller of Leipzig named Friedrich Christian Wilhelm Vogel (1776-1842). Online references to him say that he was born at Kasendorf, Oberfranken, or Kasendorf Bayreuth (I think these are the same place?). Just to make it difficult there's also one which says Casendorf, Wedendorfersee, which is in the north of Germany.
I was working on the principle that the one in Bavaria is nearer to Leipzig, but that could be wrong because I think Leipzig might have been the place to go if you were interested in the publishing trade, wherever you were from.
Anyhow, what I really want to know is who FCW Vogel's family were, because I think it is possible that a brother of his might have been Johann Benjamin Gottlieb Vogel, also a printer and bookseller who set up business in London in the very early years of the 19thC. He was born c1777. I know quite a bit about him after he arrived in London. Before that, only that he came from Germany, possibly Leipzig.
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was he catholic or protestant
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He attended the Lutheran church in London.
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Hi Galium,
I can't help with your actual research, but I thought it might be helpful for you to know that Kasendorf, Oberfranken and Kasendorf, Bayreuth are indeed one and the same place.
It is a little village (Dorf = village) in the district of Kulmbach (famous for its beer ;D), about 20km away from Bayreuth. This comes under the administrative district of Oberfranken. And is in the State of Bayern (Bavaria). Bayern is a Freistaat, which is a kind of republic. They have laws which differ from those in other parts of Germany - including concerning public holidays. A bone of contention here... ;D People from Franken do not like being called Bavarians. Many years ago, I had a boss who was from Franken - and woe betide anyone who said he was from Bavaria! ::)
Anyway, this Kasendorf is about 200km from Leipzig.
The Casendorf up north appears to also be written with a "K" in modern times. It is about 400km from Leipzig.
But as you say, people travelled to certain places for work, so the distance from Leipzig might not be important.
What online sources do you have regarding his birthplace? It could be that someone googled Kasendorf and came up with the one up north...
Best regards,
Karen
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He was born in K(C)asendorf in Bavaria
http://www.zeno.org/Schmidt-1902/A/Vogel,+Friedrich+Christian+Wilhelm
http://www.leipziger-biographie.de/mGC
https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfzV1232.html
http://www.portraitindex.de/documents/obj/67101778
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieterich%E2%80%99sche_Verlagsbuchhandlung
I won´t have much time in the next few days. Get back to you later when I have more time
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Many thanks for the background information Karen, and davecapps.
There do seem to be more sources that agree on Kasendorf in Kulmbach district being the birthplace of FCW Vogel.
The one I found which names the other Kasendorf is this:
https://www.berliner-intellektuelle.eu/entity?p1211+de
It's always interesting to have a portrait from before the age of photography. I have long hoped to find one of JBG Vogel, as I am sure that there would have been one made at some time, but none has ever turned up.
(In case it helps, I posted some information in answer to a query from another poster back in 2015:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730304.msg5751483#msg5751483 )
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a short time line.
Vogel, F. C. W. Friedrich Christian Wilhelm Vogel
born 30. April 1776 in Casendorf, Bayreuth
lernt the profession of book seller and dealer in Nürnberg, Frankfurt a. Main, Munich and Leipzig
Took over the business of L. Crusius in Leipzig from 1808 - 1836
During this time he took over the Dieterichsche Buchhandlung in Göttingen
Handed over the business, due to increasing illness, to his son Friedrich Theodor Wilhelm Vogel on the 31. December 1836
died 8. October 1842 in Leipzig
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Thank you for this. He got around a bit then. I think that if my JBG Vogel was not a relative of his then he most likely would have known him - in London he printed material in several languages, including German, for distribution on the continent.
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Friedrich Christian Wilhelm Vogel
born 30. April 1776 in Casendorf, Bayreuth
The church books for the period you are looking for are in the Archive in Bamberg.
I know of a professional researcher that works in the archive. He has a fee of 25 Euros per hour.
I don´t how important this is for you, but if you are interested i can give you his mail address.
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Thank you very much for this. I probably can't do that straight away, but yes I would like to have the address please.
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Just for the books.
I posted a query in a German forum asking where the church books from Kasendorf are kept.
This guy answered saying that they were in the Bamberg archive, that he was a professional researcher and could get you the info you want at 25€/hour
i can´t recomend him because I don´t know him, never heard of him.
I would advise you to try him out on one specific order, with a fix price.
ie. birth certificate Friedrich Christian Wilhelm Vogel, 30. April 1776
That shouldn´t take him so long
also always set a max limit.
sent you a PM with his mail address
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Hi Galium,
you said that Friedrich attended the Lutheran Church. GenWiki states there are 2 churches for Kasendorf : Azendorf and Peesten . The church books for both are available by Archion.
Hope this helps, regards Peonie
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Thank you Peonie. I didn't know about Archion, and will have a proper look when I have learned a bit about reading Old German - there's a handy tutorial on familysearch which I have been working through. (Genealogy leads you down all sorts of paths you didn't expect at the start)
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Learning to read old German is a loooooong
Journey
Take Peonies advice and register on Archion. If you find anything that could fit, post it here.
Dave