RootsChat.Com
Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: chalkeydave on Monday 21 June 21 15:23 BST (UK)
-
Good day,
I’m sure you can help….again.
Looking for GRO index,so I can order birth certificate.
Gentleman concerned is a William Richardson born March 25 th 1839 in Shalbourne Wilts
I have the family bible so I’m sure the date is correct.
Unfortunately William is the first name listed.
I would like to know father and mother’s name as I keep coming with the name of Hiscock.
Thanking you in advance
Chalkeydave
-
Hungerford was the RD for Shalbourne at that time but there is no birth reg in the March or June quarters 1839 in either that RD or in Wiltshire
Failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/75
Have you looked for him on the 1841 census?
-
There is a birth registration -
March December quarter 1838 - Hungerford RD which includes Shalbourne. GRO says mother's maiden name is Bushel.
-
Shalbourne comes under the Hungerford registration district. There are several RICHARDSONs whose births were registered in Hungerford in the years around 1839, but the only William on the GRO is:
RICHARDSON William, Dec qtr 1838 Hungerford vol 6 p173, mmn BUSHEL.
This could tie in with a possible marriage (on FreeBMD):
Dec qtr 1837 Hungerford vol 6 p305: Thomas RICHARDSON on same page as Elizabeth BUSHELL
So, could the date of 25 Mar 1839 be a baptism, or was William's birth not registered?
Philip
(edit: BumbleB beat me to it - again!)
-
Is this him in 1871? Gives his birth county as Berkshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6Q-QVM
Who was his father on his marriage cert?
Marriages Dec 1864
Alder Mary Ann Kingsclere 2c 413
Richardson William
-
There were more births for that family but looking at the 1841 census below it does not appear to be correct one.
RICHARDSON, WILLIAM BUSHEL
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in HUNGERFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 173
RICHARDSON, SARAH ANN BUSHELL
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in HUNGERFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 171
RICHARDSON, ELIZABETH BUSHILL
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in HUNGERFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 192
RICHARDSON, LOUISA ANN BUSHELL
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HUNGERFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 231
1841?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M735-ZXW
In 1851 Thomas on the above census is a widower and only the two younger boys John & William are with him none of the later births above?
It may just be the birth was not registered.
Colin
-
RICHARDSON, ELIZABETH died age 53
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in HUNGERFORD Volume 06 Page 147
So the younger family members may be with other family members.
Colin
-
Is this him in 1871? Gives his birth county as Berkshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6Q-QVM
Shalbourne was in Berkshire until 1895 when it was transferred to Wiltshire.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/hungerford.html
Philip
-
For future reference, so you can look things up yourself and order certificates, this is the page you need. You have to register, but it is free to do so:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
There is a William registered in 1838, and a Charles in 1839
-
[quote author
There is a William registered in 1838, and a Charles in 1839
[/quote]
Note the mmn for Charles is BURHEL
Colin
-
Carole, looking at the children's names on the census you posted I am more inclined to think William was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Bushell.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6Q-QVM
Colin
-
Thank you all for your comments.You’re a wonderful bunch 🙂🙂.
To add to my original comment.
The Bible also stated Thomas b1863, John 1865, Sarah 1868,Louisa 1869.William 1873.
Mary Ann Alder was his wife and was married in 1864.
Perhaps as mentioned I should get hold of a marriage certificate and see if that divulges the fathers name.
Many thanks again
-
I was looking to see whether there was a newspaper announcement of the marriage - didn't find one, but did find this:
Berkshire Chronicle 06 February 1864
Kingsclere Petty Sessions____William Richardson of Woodcott was ordered to pay 15s 6d costs, and one shilling per week, under the "incidental population act", to Mary Ann Alder, of the parish of Ashmansworth, spinster. Defendant, who had been paying 1s 6d a week to the girl since 28 September 1863, now got off the odd sixpence, it having come to the knowledge of the Bench, that Mary Ann had been indiscreet on a former occasion.
-
Thank you Galium,
What a great bit of research.
I can’t begin to understand the proceedings,but will try and google it.
Thank you again for taking the time and trouble.
Chalkeydave
-
In 1851 Thomas on the above census is a widower and only the two younger boys John & William are with him
In Tidcombe?
Death
RICHARDSON, WILLIAM
Age at Death (in years): 16
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in HUNGERFORD Volume 02C Page 153
Burial at Tidcombe, 13 Nov 1854
William Richardson
abode Fosbury
age 16 years
-
Has this one been mentioned?
1851 census, Shalbourne, has
William Richardson Gd Son 10 Scholar Berks Shalbourne
With his grandfather William Richardson, 66
Others there include grandchildren Thomas Richardson, 5, FrederickRichardson, 8
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVY-22V
Birth reg for Frederick? :-\
RICHARDSON, FREDERICK
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in HUNGERFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 189
-
Clicked the wrong thing!
In case it is of any use, 1841, Shalbourne
piece 1180 book 16 folio 6 page 18
Wm Richardson 55 Ag Labourer
Sarah 55
etc
Transcript
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M735-ZT5
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L926-8NHT
-
The William from Great Bedwyn has his supporters.
Perhaps the best bet is indeed to get hold of the 1864 marriage certificate. Possibly it was at Ashmansworth.
-
Just ordered one .
-
The William from Great Bedwyn has his supporters.
Ah, that's your Hiscock!
I keep coming with the name of Hiscock.
Baptism at Great Bedwyn, 2 Dec 1838
William
illegitimate son of Ann Hiscock, Widow
Abode Marten
Born 29 October 1838
Marriage at Great Bedwyn, 30 Dec 1843
John Richardson, Bachelor, Laborer, father James Richardson deceased, Laborer
+
Ann Hiscock, widow of James who left 2 sons + 1 daur (wow!), father John Bushell, Laborer
Both full age, residence Marten
And there is the Bushell maiden name!
RICHARDSON, WILLIAM BUSHEL
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in HUNGERFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 173
1841 in Great Bedwyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73P-2CT
Thomas, Elizabeth and Charles Richardson in the same household!
So the William Richardson Dec 1838 birth reg was to John and Ann (but not married)
And the Charles Richardson June 1839 birth reg was to the Thomas and Elizabeth also in Great Bedwyn
Incredible!
-
My head is swimming.
Need some time to digest this.
Thank you jonw65
-
Just ordered one .
I think you will need it!
In 1851 young Hiscock is now William Richardson, 12, in Martin, Great Bedwyn, with mother Ann and siblings
And Thomas and Elizabeth Richardson (also nee Bushell) and family are the previous household
Piece 1686 folio 218 page 13
What confusion that caused!
May not be the right William though. The birth date is not the same as in your bible
William Richardson born March 25th 1839
Good luck with the certificate!
John
-
My head is swimming.
So is mine!
-
1841?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M735-ZXW
In 1851 Thomas on the above census is a widower
Going on the ages of Thomas and Elizabeth in 1841, possible marriage
Thomas Richardson and Elizabeth Few
22 July 1818, Tidcombe
And for that death in 1849 that Colin found
Burial at Tidcombe, 12 Dec 1849
Elizabeth Richardson, age 53 years
Abode Fosbury
So I reckon that had the William Richardson registered in Hungerford in 1838 been theirs, mother's maiden surname would have been Few.
-
Came across this
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVY-K1B
1851
census
Place Ham Berkshire England
Birth place
George Hiscock Son Male 17 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire (Hungerford Reg)
William Richardson Son Male 12 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
Elizabeth Richardson Daughter Female 6 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
James Richardson Son Male 4 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
Emily Richardson Daughter Female 1 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
Sarah Ann Richardson Daughter Female 9 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
Ann Richardson Head Female 40 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
Maria Hiscock Daughter Female 19 Great Bedwyn, Wiltshire
-
May I return to my previous query regarding the father of William Richardson born March 1839.
I have received a marriage certificate ( December 17th 1864 )which states fathers name is also William Richardson.
Can these be names be falsified I wonder
Thank you again for taking the time to read this.
Dave