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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: mckha489 on Friday 18 June 21 10:13 BST (UK)
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Morgan, William: St. Thomas, Southwark, gent
The will for this man is offsite at National Archives but it is one I have to order. Before I risk the £8.20 quote fee plus whatever the copying fee is I wondered if anyone could see anything I have missed that might help pin his identity down a bit more.
The notes at TNA say the date refers to the date of the document, not the date of probate etc. so he may not have died in 1749
I don't see any reference that seems to fit on London Lives, nor LMA, nor Ancestry.
On FindMyPast there is a burial 23 March 1749 at All Hallows the Great. but it is a transcription only and no help. Isn't All Hallows on the wrong side of the river?
I cannot see a death or a report of the will (which is in Supplementary Will Series 1 "Most of these records are contentious" ) in the newspapers.
I am trying to track down the William who was father of David Walter MORGAN Baptism St George, Southwark, 1733 (died 1795) about whom there are many threads on RC. In the hope that he is also the father of John MORGAN of the Inner Temple c 1734 - 1803
(Although the will of David Walter's uncle the Rev John Morgan who died 1776 does not mention any other Morgan than David Walter, I live in hope).
Many Thanks
Mckha
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On FindMyPast there is a burial 23 March 1749 at All Hallows the Great. but it is a transcription only and no help. Isn't All Hallows on the wrong side of the river?
All Hallows The Great is Southwark area, south of the river. As the crow flies it is between St Thomas's church and Waterloo Station
Rosie
Who had to look at online maps to see where it was ;D
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I see that the will you are looking at is in the Supplementary wills Series (Prob20)
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C12131
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Yes Rosie.
Thank you for looking
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Just adding this for future researchers.
there is something at the Lambeth Palace Library too.
https://archives.lambethpalacelibrary.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=V%2fH%2f99%2f6%2f46-d&pos=5
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It is a shame that they are not available to view easily.
F M P have Surrey & South London Will Abstracts, 1470-1856. They are quite interesting as they are searchable by Testator and Beneficiary but I can't see any mention of David Walter Morgan
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Thank you for looking Rosie.
I've been working my way through that list too.
I went to order the quote for the will from TNA today, but they have a daily cut off, so I have set my alarm for UK Monday morning 9am, so as not to miss out (I hope).
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Good luck with Monday morning, I hope that it does not work out too expensive. It is a few years since I visited TNA though I have to confess to visiting Kew Gardens a several times since then.
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A very nice letter this morning from National Archives to say that this will cannot be found. I imagine it is as disappointing for them as it is for me.
They do say if it turns up they will let me know, but they are not now actively searching for it. (They did notify me twice along the way that they were extending the search time, so I think they’ve had a good go). I suppose it has got caught up in some other document.
They are refunding my fee.
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I too am extremely interested in tracking down William Morgan father of David Walter Morgan who is my greatX4 grandfather. I have wondered about his connection (if any) with John Morgan of the Inner Temple but have not succeeded. I will be interested to see if the will sheds any light
John
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Update for completeness.
National Archives have found the Will of William Morgan of St Thomas, Southwark. 1749
In the Name of God Amen, I William Morgan of the
Parish of St Thomas Southwark in the county of Surry Gentleman
being weak in Body but of sound mind memory and understanding
do make this my last will and Testament in manner and form
following that is to say Whereas my Brother the Rev John Morgan
of Sion College London stands indebted unto me in the summe of
twenty one pounds besides interest being the remaining part of the
summe of forty five pounds I lent him sometime since on his
Note of Hand for the same as may appear by the said Note
now in my Wifes Custody who refuses to deliver the same to
me Now I do hereby in Consideration of my said Brothers having
maintained and educated my son David Morgan from his
Infancy (he being upwards of fifteen years of age) forgive and
discharge my said Brother John Morgan of and from the said
summe of twenty one pounds and all Interest due thereon to me
at the time of my decease and all thereof residue and remainder
of my Estate of what nature or kind soever I give and bequeath
the same and every part thereof unto my said Brother John
Morgan in trust for my said son David Morgan when he shall
attain the age of one and twenty years At which time I direct
my Executor hereafter named to deliver and pay all such residue
of my said Estate unto him my said son David Morgan for his
own sole use and benefit but incase my said son shall depart this
life before he attains such age then and in such case I give and
bequeath all such residue of my said Estate unto Leonora Morgan
wife of the said John Morgan as a recompense for her extraordinary
love and indulgence of my said son from his Infancy as aforesaid
and i do hereby nominate constitute and appoint my said Brother
John Morgan sole executor of this my last Will and Testament
hereby revoking all others by me at any time heretofore made In
witness whereof I have here unto set my hand and seal this
fourth day of December in the year of our Lord 1749
Signed sealed published and declared by the
Testator William Morgan as and for his last
Will and Testament in the presence of us who
in his presence and at his request have sett
our names as witnesses hereto
Tho. Raffles Pet. Edwards
On the reverse it says
14th November 1750
The Revd. John Morgan the
Brother of the Testator and sole
Executor within named
was duly sworn
and
Testator died in the parish of St Mary Newington in the county of Surrey in July last.
Which I interpret as July 1750, and so the burial on 13th July 1750 at St Mary Newington which unfortunately only gives his name.
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Having another look at my Gt X 4 grandfather William Morgan. Looking at his will I am rather puzzled by the passage "the said note now in my wife`s custody who refuses to deliver the same note to me" What can that mean? I had assumed that David Morgan was raised from "infancy" by his aunt and uncle because his mother had died. Perhaps that was not the case. I have realised that I do not have a DOB for William or his brother John or a date for their marriages. Perhaps John Morgan`s involvement with Sion College might yield some clues. What was his role there? Could Herman Olmius and his wife Judith Drigue be benefactors of the college? Could they have helped with the cost involved sending David Morgan to Cambridge and then to study for a higher degree at Oxford? Rather a lot of questions!
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It is morning here, and I am in a rush, so will look at the rest of your questions later.
But regarding the wife, my theory is that the wife mentioned in the Will is not Davids mother. But a second wife of William. And that David’s mother as you also thought probably died early in David’s life - hence being raised by Leonora and John.
Interesting that even if David dies before reaching 21 the wife gets nothing. It goes to Leonora.
The Rev John’s marriage is interesting. Will detail tonight.
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Rev John's Marriage - I had a whole thread :-) Obviously the first bit about the patron for the Rev John is sorted now. I don't have an actual date for the marriage. Only the allegation 11 October 1720
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849957.0..
regarding William's marriage(s) there are several possibles for a marriage to Elizabeth, and I have no idea how to pick one. And then there is the possible second marriage too??? it will forever remain a mystery I fear.
John born about 1697 (from his age in the marriage allegation of 23).
have you managed to find out anything about his appointment as Chancellor of St Davids?
several documents here look relevant and might hold more information about him.
https://archives.library.wales/index.php/return-of-chanter-and-chapter-of-st-davids-certifying-that-john-morgan-chancellor-and-james-tunstall
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Thanks for clearing up the mention of William Morgan`s wife in his will. Also the marriage of John Morgan-- I had missed that thread.
Have not found out anything about John Morgan as Chancellor of St. Davids. As I live in Pembrokeshire perhaps I should be able to.. Cannot find out anything about Elizabeth. Baroness Dowager, Abergavenny only a person of that name alive in the 15th century.
Still keen to find out more about John Morgan`s connection with Sion College