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John Widdowson Bolton born3.12.1903 Manchester, Ashton Under Lyne.
Died upminster, Essex 1972. Second marriage 1968. His parents James HenryBolton. 1872 Manchester, wife Hannah Widdowson Born 1864.
Looking to find details of a first marriage,no name not sure of area, could be Manchester area as a marriage at a young age say from 1923 to 1936 at very latest. My feeling is earlier rather than later. Any suggestions or advice would be welcomed. Thank you
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Have you located him on the 1939 register
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Maybe - :-\
Marriages Dec qtr 1928
BOLTON John W
JONES Margaret E
Hackney 1b 980
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He is on the 1939 register with a Margaret :)
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He is on the 1939 register with a Margaret :)
...and already down south hence my suggestion :). I have nothing else to back it up with yet though
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Thank you Rosie. The Margaret is his second wife to be. Apparently did not divorce first wife, maybe waited until after her death before finally marrying, perhaps on religious grounds? The marriage you suggest is a possibility will take a closer look. Problem is he worked for Fords and moved around before settling in Essex. I am Looking at this for my friend whose late Father this is.Just trying to find last piece in the Family puzzle.
Many thanks for your kind help.
Seeper
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Thank you Trish, I do have the 1939 information. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Lovely baby.
Hope I am sending these thanks you replies correctly.
Seeper
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one to look up - he would only be 18 though - from Lancashire bmd
BOLTON John W HAYLINGS Frances F 1921 Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford BAR/63/71
you did say he married at a young age and Manchester area - needs more looking in to for confirmation ??
good luck
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Is John W described as a widower on his marriage in 1968?
Looking at the possible birth of the child, Margaret wasn’t married previously.
There are no children from the earlier marriage (as far as you know)?
You have included Manchester in John W’s birth place - it is Ashton under Lyne (not Manchester ) :)
James Henry remarried in Stockport but there doesn’t seem to be a marriage in that area for John.
Frances F Haylings (garstonite’s post) is elusive :-\
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Thank you Rosie. The Margaret is his second wife to be. Apparently did not divorce first wife, maybe waited until after her death before finally marrying, perhaps on religious grounds?
You should have mentioned that to start with :)
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Probably a red herring, but
Marriage: 29 Jun 1925 Daubhill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Bolton - 22, Motor Mechanic, Bachelor, 480 Darwen Road, Dunscar
Amy Conway - 21, Shop Assistant, Spinster, 175 Rishton Lane, Bolton
Groom's Father: James Bolton, Worker in Bleach Works
From LancsOPC
Bev
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one to look up - he would only be 18 though - from Lancashire bmd
BOLTON John W HAYLINGS Frances F 1921 Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford BAR/63/71
you did say he married at a young age and Manchester area - needs more looking in to for confirmation ??
good luck
Frances F Haylings (garstonite’s post) is elusive :-\
Do you think this might be a possibility for Frances F Haylings/Bolton? Although she has another middle initial in her name :-\
Frances F I BOLTON Age: 67 Jun 1965 Manchester Volume: 10e Page: 258
Frances Florence Irene BOLTON Age: 67
Burial 9 Jun 1965 Southern Cemetery Section: JJ Grave Number: 1636
Cemetery Notes: Consecrated
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/151198207/frances-florence_irene-bolton
Frances Florence Irene Bolton of Newholme Nell Lane Withington Manchester died 2 Jun 1965 Manchester Probate 1 Sep 1965 to Williams Deacon Bank
Frances Florence Irene BOLTON
formerly HAYLINGS (nee KEATE), formerly of Manchester, deceased.
Will Frank William BESWICK or other persons claiming to be related contact
Solicitors Bromley, Hyde & Robinsons or Williams Deacon Bank Limited
Date 20 Nov 1966
Frank William BESWICK relative of Frances Florence Irene Bolton of Manchester, deceased.
Anyone knowing his whereabouts should contact Bromley, Hyde & Robinsons, solicitors
Date 14 Nov 1965
England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
I haven’t located her on 1901/11 census, her birth entry or possible first marriage ???
Perhaps a possibility for FWB
BESWICK, FRANK WILLIAM mmn WHITE
1890 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 923
Looks as if he’s a patient born Manchester 1911
Edit to add
Frank William Beswick
Baptism 3 Aug 1890 Battersea St Paul, Wandsworth
Father: Frank Sylvester Beswick, cashier Mother: Winifred Neal Beswick
Marriage 4 Aug 1889 St Luke, Oseney Crescent, Camden
Frank Sylvester Beswick 20 father also same name
Spouse: Winifred Neal WHITE
1901 Piece: 3769 Folio: 100 Page Number: 28
William G White 68
Annie White 33
Agnes Williams 38 dau
Gertrude Williams 15 gddau
Winifred Beswick 31 dau Wid.
Frank S Beswick 10 grandson Manchester
Irene S Beswick 8
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Thank you, this is actually quite interesting, occupation motor mechanic is correct also first name of Father. Have made a note of information. many thanks for your time and assistance.
Seeper
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That’s good Ladyhawk :)
Even if she is not the first wife - odd how there is no sign of her earlier.
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Maybe not her /or the marriage
1901 3709/15/22
Frances Florence Keate 21 yrs b Manchester
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She is in 1911 too, still living with mum but also a Haylings boarder so likely to not be the one who married your Mr Bolton.
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Maybe not her /or the marriage
1901 3709/15/22
Frances Florence Keate 21 yrs b Manchester
She is in 1911 too, still living with mum but also a Haylings boarder so likely to not be the one who married your Mr Bolton.
Was just about to post same details :)
The connection to Frank perhaps
KEATE, FRANCES FLORENCE mmn BESWICK
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 879
Added
Frances Florence Keate Birth 15 Aug 1879
Baptism 10 Mar 1880 Hulme, St Michael, Manchester
Father: Benjamin Keate, Stone mason
Mother: Ann late Beswick
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Thank you to you all for the helpful suggestions you have made. I am a
little backward in working out how to send thank you replies( age I expect).
So please do not think me ungrateful or lacking in manners. I am appreciative of all your suggestions and assistance.
Seeper
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Probably a red herring, but
Marriage: 29 Jun 1925 Daubhill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Bolton - 22, Motor Mechanic, Bachelor, 480 Darwen Road, Dunscar
Amy Conway - 21, Shop Assistant, Spinster, 175 Rishton Lane, Bolton
Groom's Father: James Bolton, Worker in Bleach Works
From LancsOPC
Bev
It looks as if Amy has a middle name Elizabeth
Amy Elizabeth Bolton Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 21 May 1906
Registration Mar 1979 Bolton RD
Volume: 38 Page: 0143
John & Amy had a child born 1930 A Bolton mmn Conway - they are together in 1939
Added her parents marriage
William Markland Conway 24
Marriage 15 Jun 1905 Bolton, Lancashire, England
Church: St Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Bowker's Row
Father Name: George Conway
Spouse Ada Kirkman
CONWAY, AMY ELIZABETH mmn KIRKMAN
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 529
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Think Amy cannot be correct given death date as John remarried as a widower in 1968
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There is a newspaper snippet (I can’t see it all)
September 1928
John Widdowson Bolton of Edgeley, Stockport ‘driving a motor car to the danger of the public’
That places him in the Stockport area where his father was living.
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There is a newspaper snippet (I can’t see it all)
September 1928
John Widdowson Bolton of Edgeley, Stockport ‘driving a motor car to the danger of the public’
That places him in the Stockport area where his father was living.
The case was dismissed and the article doesn't give any more information about him.
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I was just trying to place him rather than find out anything about the offence.
With his father being in Stockport, I thought he might still be around in the 20s.
James H Bolton married Ruth Garner in 1925, Stockport. Perhaps electoral registers might help.
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Death in Chorlton, June qtr 1924, of Ann Widdowson Bolton, age 2.
Buried Southern Cemetery, 27 May 1924.
Sorry, no idea who she is.
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An entry for Ann W Bolton in the Withington Workhouse Death Register, 1924.
Have no further info. Probably nothing to do with John, just thought I'd mention it!
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Thank you, everything helps one way or the other.
Seeper
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All your replies have been fine Seeper :)