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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: joy.e on Wednesday 02 June 21 14:11 BST (UK)
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Would anyone know if there are records online or held locally which would have information about workers at the Boom Hall Estate in Londonderry in the mid 1800's ?
In the 1901 census my Great Grandfather John Dogherty (45) states he was born in 'Boom Hall'. I know the dates cant be relied on as being totally accurate, but I'm guessing John was born circa 1856.
In Johns marriage record from 1879 his father is named as Richard Dogherty.
I've recently found a marriage record for Richard Dogherty (widow)- who could potentially be my GG Grandfather- who states his residence is 'Boom Hall' at the time of his 2nd marriage in 1865.
His occupation is 'labourer', which is why I'm interested to finding out if there's any additional information available anywhere for workers at Boom Hall.
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Can't assist re potential Boom Hall records other than if you go to https://apps.proni.gov.uk/eCatNI_IE/SearchPage.aspx then type in Boom Hall.
You have probably already read some of its history https://www.boomhall.com/history, however, not sure if you are aleady aware, Richard and Eliza of the 1865 marriage, were living at Caw townland, Clondermott parish
https://www.townlands.ie/en/londonderry/tirkeeran/clondermot/waterside/caw/
when a son, David https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/7e9c4c8173994, was born in 1868
and another, Alexander, was born in 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/86b4f28283280.
Might be coincidence, but he could therefore quite possibly be the widower Richard, aged 56, who died at Pine Street in 1893, registered by a son, Alexander.https://apps.proni.gov.uk/eCatNI_IE/SearchPage.aspx
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Just a possibility... I can see a transcript of a Co. Londonderry Church of Ireland baptism for a John Dogherty on 9 May 1855 (date of birth 8 April 1855), parents Richard Dogherty (labourer) and Sarah Groves, St. Columb's parish, their address was 'Boom Hall'.
Edited to add: (From transcript) There was also a son James 'Doherty' baptised 23 February 1853 to this couple at St. Columb's, same address of 'Boom Hall', Richard's occupation was 'groom'.
And also a son Richard 'Doherty' baptised for this couple at St. Columb's on 8 July 1857, the address was 'Boomhall', Richard was a labourer.
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Just a possibility... I can see a transcript of a Co. Londonderry Church of Ireland baptism for a John Dogherty on 9 May 1855 (date of birth 8 April 1855), parents Richard Dogherty (labourer) and Sarah Groves, St. Columb's parish, their address was 'Boom Hall'.
Edited to add: (From transcript) There was also a son James 'Doherty' baptised 23 February 1853 to this couple at St. Columb's, same address of 'Boom Hall', Richard's occupation was 'groom'.
And also a son Richard 'Doherty' baptised for this couple at St. Columb's on 8 July 1857, the address was 'Boomhall', Richard was a labourer.
The subsequent marriage to Elizabeth Reeves:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11581/8261376.pdf
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Marriage in 1893, of Alexander, son of the Richard of Pine Street, to Annie Osborne:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/3844342152331
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Found another potential baptism at St. Columb's Church of Ireland parish (note: from a transcript, I haven't seen an original image).
It's for a William Henry Dougherty baptised 3 February 1860 (DOB 13 December 1859), parents recorded as Richard Dougherty (labourer) and Sarah [no maiden name], the address was recorded as 'Boomhall'.
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Oh my word....what amazing information...thank you both so much scotmum & gaffy...can’t wait to look up all these facts...I’ve no doubt you’ve identified members of my family...THANK YOU 😍
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Another Church of Ireland record transcript, this time it's from the parish of Burt, Co. Donegal, it's for a 42 year old Sarah Dogherty who died on 14 May 1863, critically, the address is given as 'Boom hall, templemore'.
Given the Burt Church of Ireland parish context, I also wondered about this marriage in the same parish of a Richard Dogherty to a Sarah McGrory:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09312/5372021.pdf
The groom's father is consistent with the 1865 Dogherty-Reeves marriage.
Again from transcript, a daughter Elizabeth was baptised on 7 March 1847 in Burt Church of Ireland parish for a Richard Doherty (labourer) and Sarah [no maiden name], the address was 'Carnamaddy', which is the same address given for Sarah McGrory in the above 1846 marriage record. I would speculate that the address might actually mean Carrownamaddy:
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/inishowen-west/burt/burt/carrownamaddy/
Further to the above, also note this 1879 marriage of an Eliza Dogherty of 'Carnamaddy', daughter of Richard Dogherty, to John Brown, one of the witnesses was an Eliza McGrory:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11056/8044839.pdf
The baptismal records I cited at reply #2 and reply #5 were transcriptions, it wouldn't be the first time that original record images have been mistranscribed. Could Sarah 'Groves' and Sarah 'McGrory' somehow be the same person? Just to note as a speculative possibility for now.
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My head is spinning...so much great/new information for me to try to piece together.
I really ( REALLY !!) appreciate all the investigations you’ve both been carrying out.
I’m totally in awe of the CofI information you’ve found...I assume this is online somewhere?
I like your theory about Groves and McGrory being the same person and,as you’ve suggested, the information adds up, but I’d probably be happier if there was some more information available which supported this theory...Although I’ve no idea what that might be or where to look 🤔
Family folklore has it that the Doghertys originally came from Carndonagh ...but I’ve no idea of the accuracy of this “fact”...I’m mentioning it in case it can be connected to any further records...I’m not expecting you to do any more research for me, hopefully I can access the C of I records myself somehow {?} to dig deaper.
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Re the birth of a David in reply #1, it seems he sadly didn't live very long, per cemetery record:
David Doherty Richard and Eliza Doherty Bay View, Caw Bay View 28 May 1868 29 May 1868
Burial is in a grave with surnames Reeves and McKinney, a Reeves being proprietor, so possibly some of Eliza's family.
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If the Richard who died at Pine Street in 1893 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/d523d83920000 was the one who was married to Eliza Reeves, this is possibly her nearby at 1901 (should read Ebrington Terrace):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Waterside/Elrington_Terrace/1540217/
and a possible death in 1906, albeit age a bit out:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4fca804837403
The age of the 1893 death Richard would be too young to be a possibility for the same Richard of the 1846 marriage to Sarah, but then the death age may not be accurate.
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The Alexander Doherty who married Annie Osborne in 1893, was in Belfast with her and their children by 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Marvue_Street/959055/ (should read Mervue Street).
first couple of children born Londonderry, rest born Belfast.
Still there in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Mervue_St/141677/
Although a painter in both, a Londonderry Sentinel article in 1946, says that before working for such at LMS Railways, he had, in his youth, been employed at the Sentinel. It goes on to mention that he himself was baptised at All Saints Church, Clooney and that his father was buried at Glendermott Parish Church graveyard. At the time of the article, eight of his and Annie's 12 children were still alive, some having served in WW1, as had he.
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Just for ease of reference, the 1901 census you mentioned for John Dogherty:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Rosapenna_Street/962848/
who by then was also in Belfast.
And for 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Southport_Street/147085/
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Not in respect of your current search, but with mention of Southport Street, and in case you don't have it:
. DOHERTY—December 7. 1952 (suddenly), at his residence. 66 Southport Street. Frederick H. dearly-loved husband of Isobel Doherty
. WELL-KNOWN MASON DIES IN BELFAST The death occurred at his residence.) 66 Southport Street. Belfast. on Sunday. of Mr. Frederick H. Doherty. for many years a prominent figure in Masonic circles. On Saturday he was at his work as linotype ...
per Belfast Telegraph.
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And...
. Doherty—May 21, 1937, at the Thompson Memorial Home, Lisburn, Margaret, widow of John Doherty (late 66, Southport Street). Funeral private
. DEATHS Doherty— March I. 1936, at the Royal Victoria Hospital, John, beloved husband of Margaret Doherty (late Belfast News-Letter ”). Funeral' from his late residence, 66, Southport Street, to-day
per Belfast Newsletter
As you no doubt know, it seems that for a long time, John had been foreman of the jobbing department at the Belfast Newsletter, retiring about 7 years before his death. He had also worked at the Newry Telegraph (explains the children being born around the country).
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As you no doubt know, it seems that for a long time, John had been foreman of the jobbing department at the Belfast Newsletter, retiring about 7 years before his death. He had also worked at the Newry Telegraph (explains the children being born around the country).
Now where on earth did you find this info :o
I have lots of dates & info for John & Margaret Dogherty and their family, and although I knew John was a printer/compositor I’ve never come across anything online which listed his job title & employer before ? ???
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Here's an interesting article about the development of Boom Hall.
https://www.edenproject.com/eden-story/our-ethos/eden-project-foyle
KG
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Just a quick update..
I'd messaged the Boom Hall Trust in May 2021 to see if they held, or knew of any records, for staff at Boom Hall for the mid 1800's. I then put my post on here in June, which generated loads of new information which I'd previously been unaware of.
Boom Hall trust replied last night to suggest they might be able to help and asked me to supply whatever information I had, in order to try to help locate my ancestors.
I was able to provide the names and dates of birth which Scotmum and Gaffy had been able to source and provided on this thread, and now I'm waiting to hear back from the Trust.
I've no idea if they'll be able to supply any more information, but I know without the answers provided to my original post, I'd only have had minimal information to supply.
Thank you in advance, and I'll let you know how I get on. :-)
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Thank you in advance, and I'll let you know how I get on. :-)
I visited both St.Columb's Cathedral and Boomhall last weekend.
At St.Columb's I was able to see the original records of some of the childrens baptisms mentioned in this tread and I'm satisfied that Richards first wife was Sarah Groves.
Boomhall trust were able to give me further details about Daniel Baird, the owner of Boomhall at the time Richard worked there, and subsequently they were able to tell me Richard Doherty was mentioned in Daniel Bairds Will.
Also, thanks to the following wee nugget of information, I found Richards headstone in Glendermott Parish Church graveyard.
his father was buried at Glendermott Parish Church graveyard.
Thanks for all the help and tips so far :-)
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Great update! ;D