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Title: Bertram Jones.
Post by: cinny22 on Sunday 30 May 21 09:24 BST (UK)

Some time ago you helped me solve an age old mystery about my G-Uncle Bertram Jones. You found that he was a Mercantile Marine who perished after his ship, the S.S Thacia was torpedoed on the 27th of March 1917. This ship was laden with scrap iron and steel. It sank very quickly.
He was only 23yrs of age.

I have tracked down SOME  of his descendants, but they do not have any pictures of him, in fact I gave them a lot more information than they gave me.........this was due to your great research and knowledge.
I know he died very young, but not before he married in 1916.
As all images of him seem to have gone astray, I'm wondering if by some chance, being a Mercantile Marine, would he be bound by law, to have a "passport"?   

If so, would a copy be on file........"somewhere". I would dearly love to see his image. 
Thank you for all your past help. Best wishes to all, Cinny22

Title: Re: Bertram Jones.
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 30 May 21 11:12 BST (UK)

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/passports/

Title: Re: Bertram Jones.
Post by: cinny22 on Sunday 30 May 21 11:43 BST (UK)

Thank you once again for your help. I have just sent them an email and a request.
Thanks again every one..........hope every one is well and keeping safe. We have a dangerous world at the moment. Stay well, Cinny22

Title: Re: Bertram Jones.
Post by: groom on Sunday 30 May 21 12:02 BST (UK)

Passports with photos didn't come into being until 1915 when they were just a single piece of paper, so he may not have had one. Also if he was a Mercantile Marine  he may have had identity papers that would be used rather than a passport.

Title: Re: Bertram Jones.
Post by: seaweed on Sunday 30 May 21 14:44 BST (UK)

Most if not all of the centrally kept merchant seamans records for the period of the first World War have been destroyed.
The last Crew Agreement and Logbook of THACIA Official Number 109921 which should at least tell you his last known address and NOK are available from TNA Kew.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2480655
Did Bertram have a middle name?

Title: Re: Bertram Jones.
Post by: cinny22 on Sunday 30 May 21 15:01 BST (UK)

Thank you, No, Bertram did not have a middle name as far as I know. He was awarded a medal tho' and this was presented to his wife at 48 Powis St, Liverpool. He is remembered at the Tower Hill Memorial.
Thank you for this information. Cinny22.

Title: Re: Bertram Jones.
Post by: footiestuds on Sunday 30 May 21 19:20 BST (UK)

Hi cinny22
You probably have this WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 already but in case you haven't there's 4 addresses on page 2

Deb