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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: gwilliams3 on Saturday 22 May 21 19:56 BST (UK)
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Looking for some help with local sources to Stafford. My normal research grounds are Ireland / West Wales / West country, so this is an odd one.
This lady, Irene Violet King (nee Kiviatkowski) is a great Aunt, married in Dundalk Ireland, and had an address in Dublin at the time of her death.
According to the probate records(15 Mar 1960), she died
"12 October 1958 in a street in Stafford"
So she wasn't living there, maybe visiting, but it's an odd description, so I wondered if it made the courts or the local newspapers. Can't find anything on "British Newspapers online", so does any one know of local archive sources that could help ?
Thanks in advance,
Geoff
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Could you obtain her death certificate?
Though she was not at home her home address will be on it I am pretty certain.
How intriguing.
Viktoria.
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I've spent a lot of time recently searching burial registers and I've seen several entries that give the person's home address and stated the place of death as "on the street", I assume (rightly or wrongly) that to mean that the person collapsed and died while walking along a street.
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I would obtain her Will they can be a great source of information.....and are relatively easy and cheaper to obtain.
I see Irene Violet King was 96 when she died.... the Will was administered on 15 March 1960.. London.... to George Symmott King..... Salesman..... London.....Could this be her son? named after her husband.... and not her husband as one would suspect him to be of similar age and he would not be working at that age?? [Only a thought]
It also says she died in a street in Stafford and agree with Bee's suggestion.
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I would obtain her Will they can be a great source of information.....and are relatively easy and cheaper to obtain.
I see Irene Violet King was 96 when she died.... the Will was administered on 15 March 1960.. London.... to George Symmott King..... Salesman..... London.....Could this be her son? named after her husband.... and not her husband as one would suspect him to be of similar age and he would not be working at that age?? [Only a thought]
It also says she died in a street in Stafford and agree with Bee's suggestion.
Irene was abt 62 yrs when she died.
Birth - 1896 Chichester
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I would obtain her Will they can be a great source of information.....and are relatively easy and cheaper to obtain.
It is not a Will but an Administration
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Name: Irene Violet King
Death Age: 96
Record Type: Death
Birth Date: 1862
Death Date: 1958
Death Place: Staffordshire, England
I did say [Only a thought] I did not research Irene from start of her life as that was not the question.
Sorry if I upset or mislead anyone....My mistake it was probate not Will....brain fade!
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The death information is different on my source re her age.
I looked up the birthplace to check if I had found the right person, that’s all. Is that what you mean? I just thought it might confirm the information given. (Maiden name).
We are all trying to help and we haven’t been able to solve this. As has been suggested, the death certificate would give cause of death.
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This is the entry from the GRO indexes.
I don't know where you've got the age of 96 from?
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I can find no marriage in Dundalk for an Irene to a King on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ which might help with her age. OP knows marriage details plus home address at death [latter from admin] & is more seeking information about the circumstances of death - as others have said, the death certificate is a good start. MIght there have been a coroner's inquest?
#ADDED: The admin record states she was wife of George Synnott King. Would she also have had administration in Ireland?
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what I didn't spot was the birth date, which came from Ancestry, citing Staffordshire BMD records. This shows 1862 as DoB. This suggest she was 96 when she died and 37 years older than her husband. I just checked FindMyPast for the same records, is shows the original entry with age=62, not born 1862!. Better fit, as this would mean born ~1896 and so 3 years older than her husband...
FindMyPast doesn't find a marriage record, but Ancestry does,
NameIrene Violet Kiviatkowski
Date of Registration1932, Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district
Dundalk, Ireland
Volume2
Page number441
FHL Film Number101576
Records on Page2
thanks for looking for me,
Geoff
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transcript of Probate.
KING Irene Violet of. 209 North Circular Road DublIn (wife
of George Synnott King) died 12 October 1958 in a
street in Stafford Administration London 15 March. to
the said George Synnott King salesman.
Effects £90 in England.
I've seen Synott spelt Synott / Synnot / Synnott - may be that's why the marriage record is hard to find ?
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Her marriage just shows full age
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1932/09010/5260625.pdf
Here she is in 1911 - 15 yrs
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__4/Barrack_Street/905406/
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You beat me too it Heywood ;D
Was just about to post the 1932 marriage too!
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Here is sister Hilda’s birth showing Horace as a Colour Sergeant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02243/1844799.pdf
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You beat me too it Heywood ;D
Was just about to post the 1932 marriage too!
I found those when I first posted but thought the information was already known ;)
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Apropos of not much, and others have probably worked this out - I think maiden surname is Kwiatowski not Kiviatowski
Births Mar 1896
Kwiatkowski Irene Violet Chichester 2b 379
as well as the Irish birth entry for Hilda.
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gwilliams3 profile - can you please get back to me as my great grandmother lived with George King and other people at 209 North Circular Road, she lived there for over 15 years from approx 1960 onwards until 1977, it would be good to share information.
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Thom's Directory has Mrs M King at 209 North Circular Road and not Mrs I King?.