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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: davisd on Monday 17 May 21 20:15 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to interpret the census form for this family - I note they were not born in Gloucestershire, but where it says "Scotland, Ireland or Foreign parts" there is merely a check rather than an S or an I.
Does anyone know the meaning of this? There are many of these checks on the forms.
Many thanks for any suggestions.
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I would imagine it just indicates they were born in 'Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts' -- wherever that may be.
CELTICANNIE
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Looks like an "S" to me? ;)
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Looks like an "S" to me? ;)
It's just down the page from lots of check marks that are similar though I admit these are less clear - I don't think they are Ss. The instruction given to the census takers indicated they were to say whether there were S for Scotland, I for Ireland or other foreign born. All they give everyone are checks...
But thank you for having a look.
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I just checked the entire district for those marks - there were two Ss and three Fs. Every other person not born in the county of Gloucestershire got a check mark. So the checks are mysterious.
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I just checked the entire district for those marks - there were two Ss and three Fs. Every other person not born in the county of Gloucestershire got a check mark. So the checks are mysterious.
If they are there for all "Out Of County" not "Out of Country", then could they maybe be tally marks entered when adding up for stats purposes?
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Thanks, that's what I've come to interpret it as. I noted that when there were a number of Fs for Foreign and two written out as France (so even more foreign!).
But I think you are correct as to just checking them off.
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I'm still struggling to find a birth for this James Wilton - What are the chances that the N for not born in county is simply a mistake and he was born in Gloucestershire (though Martha and Mary were born in Glamorganshire)? I can't find anyone of that name in the entire British Isles in the 20 years around that date except a couple in Gloucestershire.
I don't know where to turn....
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Using the Forest of Dean records as well as Ancestry.....
James WILTON buried 17 May 1847 - aged 83 - residence: Redbrook
Marriage at Dixton -31 May 1844
Charles HEBERT - full age - Widower, Malster, residence: Redbrook
(father: Thomas HERBERT, farmer)
Elizabeth WILTON - full age - Spinster, residence Redbrook
(father: James WILTON) - roll kturner
witnesses: George WATKINS and Mary WATKINS
1851 Census, Newland, Upper Redbrook
Charles HERBERT - 43 - married, Brewer & Malster - for LLangot, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth HERBERT - Wife - married, aged 52 - born Cardiff, Glamorganshire
John WILTON - Servant - 16 born Redbrook, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth WILTON - Servant - unmarried - aged 20 born Redbrook, Gloucestershire.
(there are quite a few WILTON's listed on the Forest of Dean records) - and it would seem - John and Elizabeth WILTON - are possible relatives.
(Elizabeth is aged 40 - age rounded off 1841 census) and born in Cardiff, Glamorganshire.
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On the Forest of Dean records (you can search for witness) - but there is a family link with this marriage (as Thomas HEBERT, and Elizabeth WILTON, who later married, are both witnesses at this wedding..... by Licence, haven't checked this yet as this could be on the FOD records)...
12 November 1843
Cornelius HERBERT - Brewer, Redbrook, father Thomas HEBERT, farmer
Jane WILTON - father: William WILTON, Tin Plate Roller,
by Licence.
witnesses: Thomas HERBERT and Elizabeth WILTON
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1841 census, Newland, Lower Redbrook
WILTON
William 40 - Plate Roller - not born in County
Martha - 40 not born in County
Jane - 15 - not born in County ***
Thomas - 15 - born in County
James - 13 - born in County
Ellen - 10 - born in County
John - 6 - born in County
Martha MILLWARD - 16 - not born in County
* this is Jane who married Cornelius HERBERT - (with Thomas HEBERT and Elizabeth WILTON as witnesses)
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Ellen WILTON aged 10 on the 1841 censs - with father William WILTON - her marriage is on the Forest of Dean Records
16 Febuary 1852 at - Christchurch, Monmouthshire
John Valiant WEARE - Bachelor, Tailor, residence: Berry Hill
father: John WEARE - Shoemaker
Ellen WILTON - full age, Spinster, residence: Berry Hill
father: William WILTON - Manager of Tin Works
witnesses: James WEARE and Elizabeth EVANS.
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James WILTON aged 75 on the 1841 census was also a Supt Sheet Iron Mill
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Thank you so much! I continue to piece together the bits.
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Ellen WILTON aged 10 on the 1841 censs - with father William WILTON - her marriage is on the Forest of Dean Records
16 Febuary 1852 at - Christchurch, Monmouthshire
John Valiant WEARE - Bachelor, Tailor, residence: Berry Hill
father: John WEARE - Shoemaker
Ellen WILTON - full age, Spinster, residence: Berry Hill
father: William WILTON - Manager of Tin Works
witnesses: James WEARE and Elizabeth EVANS.
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James WILTON aged 75 on the 1841 census was also a Supt Sheet Iron Mill
I wonder if you could clarify what "Tin Man" means exactly - I know they all work in the tin or metals factories, but is it a specific task?
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Tin man -
A dictionary of old trades, titles and occupations :
Tin man = tinner = a tin miner, worker or whitesmith.
There is an illustration in the dictionary with the following "A tinner at work, mending a pan for a visiting housewife. A tinner was sometimes known as a tin man. As well as working with tin, he also used other light metals in his work of manufacturing and mending such items as tin baths, pans, bowls, toilet pans, etc. If in his work he also enamelled the tin objects, he would be known as a whitesmith."
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Tin man -
A dictionary of old trades, titles and occupations :
Tin man = tinner = a tin miner, worker or whitesmith.
There is an illustration in the dictionary with the following "A tinner at work, mending a pan for a visiting housewife. A tinner was sometimes known as a tin man. As well as working with tin, he also used other light metals in his work of manufacturing and mending such items as tin baths, pans, bowls, toilet pans, etc. If in his work he also enamelled the tin objects, he would be known as a whitesmith."
Thank you so much!