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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: frederickay on Sunday 09 May 21 10:40 BST (UK)
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Today I discovered a relative in the habitual criminal register 1913 , he was guilty of carrying house breaking tools and got 12 months in Wormwood scrubs ,,,, unfortunately he used four aliases so I am not sure who he is exactly . All names involved are in the family so he was using cousins or brother in law names . The name he was sentenced as was Alfred Lacey ,( my great grandmother was Sarah Lacey ) . His first alias is Arthur Wharton (my great grandfather was Robert Hine Wharton . The other two names were Arthur And Ernst Dobson who are brother in laws or cousins . The address is Waverley Road Harrow Road and occupation was mattress maker . My entire family were mattress makers for Fox Furniture and they lived in Waverley . Road . My brother and two uncles were named after him and IF it is Arthur Ernest Wharton he died on the Somme . Could someone look up who was living in Waverley Road in 1913 of those names please . Thanks Fred ,
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I presume you've already found Robert Wharton, Sarah and the family in the 1911 census, living at 62 Waverley Road, Paddington?
I don't know if there is any way to find who was living there in 1913.
Do you have a date of birth for Alfred?
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Have you looked at the attestation papers for the chap who died on the Somme to see where he was living when he signed up?
Also, next year there is the 1921 census release - guess there's a chance they could be at Waverley Road then.
Pheno
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In the 1901 census Robert Wharton has a wife called Annie, plus four children which look to be the same as those in 1911 - address is 39 Waverley Road. Are Sarah and Annie and one and the same?
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Maybe you could search in one or more of the online directories for the time frame you are looking http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/search/searchterm/London/field/place/mode/exact/conn/and/order/nosort
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Piece in newspapers refers to 3 "Maida Vale suspects", Alfred Lacey, mattress Maker, Walter Lacey Upholsterer and H Bentley, upholsterer.
No other distinguishing details.
Criminal registers have Ernest Dobson alias ArthurWharton in 1911 address 44 Harris Street Kilburn.
The Arthur Ernest Whartonwho died in the war appears to have had a will, I wonder if that might shed some light on possible relatives.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Wills?Surname=wharton&SurnameGrants=wharton&YearOfDeath=1916&YearOfDeathGrants=1916&IsGrantSearch=False&IsCalendarSearch=False#soldiers
Cathy
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Hi . Yes the family definitely lived in Waverley Road .Robert and Sarah are the parents of these errant sons . . Sarah was Sarah Anna Lacey before marriage , aka Annie .. so it appears that Arthur Ernest Wharton born 1877. died WW1 was using the name Alfred Lacey . In the paper article there is a Walter Lacey he is cousin . The more I find the more confusing because of the alibis . I think that I will have to accept that the group used alibis at will interchanging names between themselves . I will dig deeper . Thank you for your help . NB , there is a difference between Ernest Dobson aka as Arthur Wharton and Alfred Lacey who used Arthur Wharton and Ernest and Arthur Dobson because the tattoos are different .
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1912 electoral register has a Robert Wharton at 62 Waverley Road (also listed John Boddington), than at no 20 in 1915 along with Thomas Josiah Mason and Ebenezer Burton
YOU have to remember that at this time not even all men had the vote, so the others in the family may not show up.
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Arthur Ernest who died in April 1916 (before the Battle of the Somme itself commenced on 1 July) had a daughter and sole legatee Rosina
Have found another source - died of wounds age 39, son of Robert Hine Wharton and Sarah Ann of London (indexed as A E Wharton)
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Hi Mabel I didn't know that about the wounds or that it was prior to the battle of Somme as it says he is buried nearby . I better do some war history as well . He was married and had three daughters it is interesting it was only the one that inherited . Maybe she knew where the loot was buried . I am trying to find the attestation papers for Arthur Ernest Wharton and his nephew , Alfred Henry Wharton .my grandfather to try and identify the Alfred Lacey with the four alibis . I have seen the tattoo words . Love ARW before but don't know where . Until now I didn't know how important every little detail is needed to be written down . But then I also didn't know my family of great uncles and 2 Nd cousins were habitual criminals either . On my other side a distant relative got transported to Australia . Not un usual you may say but he was transported TWICE .. and three years later he stood to inherit three houses and properties in St Thomas Apostle. .
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How old is your Alfred Henry ? There's a pension record for one b c1880 and living in Paddington area (he didn;t get a pension - invalided out owing to piles) This chap was a railway loader, hence my not being sure abot him
Tattoos - flags, right and left forearm
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Hi , Alfred Henry Wharton was my grandad , born Oct . 1882, . Piles was a nice way of saying a raging case of Syphlisis. Which is on his army records , so going by the tattoos of Alfred Lacey and Alfred four alibis we can discount it is my grandfather Alfred Henry Wharton . Alfred Henry Wharton is the Arthur Ernest Wharton we are looking at younger brother ... my cousin and I are trying to track down each mans tattoos . Nothing is easy as we can’t find AN ACTUAL ALFRED LACEY in our tree .. there might be some who use their second name Alfred so we are looking for the 1877 birthdate timeline . What all these alias have in common is they are upholsterers . T.y ,
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;) Fred. I’m not sure that the army would say “piles” when they meant “syphyllis” .... I think they would tell it like it was. ;D
Good to see that some more details have been unearthed about your elusive family, though you still don’t have all the answers. :)
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You are right , I am going to see if there were two Alfred Henry Wharton in Paddington ,,, in my grandfather army report which I do think he served but was often AWOL it said he had a Conglomerate ? ( which when I googled could well be a nasty set of piles ) . As result of Syphilises which he admitted to having caught years early . My grandmother his wife was Emma and at times they lived in Waverley road . I have never known him to be a railway porter BUT for some unknown reason I haven't done much research on him . I think there is a resentment that has trickled down in our family . He is very rarely mentioned . I will do more research ,,, thank you for your help . Fred .m
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I think the word could be ‘Condylomata’ not conglomerate.
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Hi I am sure you are right . Either way it sounds painful . He refused an operation in his army records . Fred .