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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: akAdie on Thursday 06 May 21 23:19 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I am REALLY hoping someone sees this and has information on the Adies from Dysart, Kirkcaldy. I am looking for parents of my 4th GG John Adie of Gallatown. He is documented both as John & William Adie, so he possibly went by both names. On his children's death records he is listed as being a baker, a potter, and a weaver. His Dysart Church record of death spells his name "Adaie" and states he was a baker in his 38th year who died on November 27th, 1833. It also says he "was lowered into the grave of William Horn", but I have not been able to find a connection with any Horn family!
His spouse was (my 4th GGrandmother) Agnes Bailie (born 1785?-1864). She was added to the end of John's death record, so is probably buried with him. She was first widowed by David Burnett in 1821. She soon met John Adie and had my 3rd GG John Adie Jr. in 1822. Agnes had 4 children from her 1st marriage (David, Jane, Margaret, & Alexander) and 5 children with John Adie (John, William, Agnes, Elisabeth, & Andrew). Playing the guessing game using naming patterns, John Sr.'s parents would be "William Adie and Elisabeth". My DNA results linked the parents of John Adie to a Hugh Adam and Agnes Kerr, but I feel this is a mistake.
I've tried everything & the family history society was unable to find more information. I was wondering if anyone is connected with this Adie family or knows anything regarding a the family relocating (...possibly from Aberdeen or Midlothian), if anyone knows of any Horn and Adie Family connections, or a local genealogist who would be able to help.
Thank You!
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Hi Everyone,
Agnes Bailie (born 1785?-1864). 5 children with John Adie (John, William, Agnes, Elisabeth, & Andrew).
I note the information on the marriage of David and the children and death of David on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
However I could not find the marriage or births of the other children but I did find the 1851 census.
1851 Parkhead, Dysart – I think this is the family below, Agnes noted as 43 is 63 on SP.
ADIE Agness Head W F 43 Jack Maker FIF Falkland
ADIE William Son U M 25 Hand Loom Weaver FIF Dysart
ADIE Betty Dau U F 22 Hand Loom Weaver FIF Dysart
ADIE Andrew Son U M 20 Hand Loom Weaver FIF Dysart
No birth for Agnes in Fife.
You could check the Kirk Session Records on SP, there are quite a few on SP.
Colin
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She can't have been only 43 in 1851 if she was first married to David Burnett.
If she was 43 in the day of the 1851 census, she would have been born in 1807/1808.
David Burnet and Agnes Bailie were married in 1814, when she would then have been only 6 or 7 years old.
Therefore her age in the FreeCEN transcription can't be right.
FindMyPast transcribes her age as 63, and her occupation as sack maker, which looks more likely than jack maker, but transcribes the surname as Ache not Adie.
You need to look at the original on Scotland's People.
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"1851 Parkhead, Dysart – I think this is the family below, Agnes noted as 43 is 63 on SP".
Hi Forfarian as I mentioned it is 63 on SP. Have you any thoughts as to why the birth records are not on SP, it seems strange that none of them appear, I note on SP for Dysart it has this note for 1820-54 records.
# Contains index to B 1820-1854 "Appendix" (surname followed by
forename of child). M 1849-50. Entries for: Herd/Adamson,
Davis/Westwater, Crawford/Hetherton)
Colin
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Hi Forfarian as I mentioned it is 63 on SP.
Indeed, but unfortunately there are many people who believe transcriptions.
Have you any thoughts as to why the birth records are not on SP, it seems strange that none of them appear, I note on SP for Dysart it has this note for 1820-54 records.
The reason that they are not on SP is they are not in the records in the care of the National Records of Scotland.
Could be any one of many reasons why not
- The parents did not have the children baptised
- The parents neglected to have the baptisms recorded
- The parents belonged to the Episcopal Church or to a dissenting or minor sect whose baptism records, if they ever existed, did not survive.
Probably not a case of them just being forgotten if there are so many of them.
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Some things I have found since my original post include an Agnes Baillie marrying a James GRANT in November 1824. I am unsure if this is the same Agnes, but appears to be the only one in Fife during this time. They were married in Abdie & Forgan 1824. Their children appear to have taken the surname Grant. John born/baptized in Forgan Feb 1825, Andrew in Flisk Mar 1827, Robert in Flisk June 1832, & Marion in Flisk Aug 1834.
The birth of John Grant in 1825 doesnt match the birth year of my 3rd gg, John Adie. 1822 was listed on his death record in 1905 and also his obituary "living a long life of 83 years".
I haven't found any other possibilities as far as the name Adie. To me it's strange that there would be a random name change during this time.
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I assume this is your 3xgg you refer to in your post. Records on SP
JOHN ADIE Died Age 82 1905 Dysart
JOHN ADIE Census 1901 age 78 426/ 17/ 21 Dysart Fife
Colin
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In 1901 James Adie 78, is with Henry Adie 33 & Christina Adie age 36
1881 - 184 Rosslyn St Dysart, Fife, all born there.
John ADIE Head M 58 Callender Worker
Rebecca ADIE Wife M 59
Rebecca ADIE Daur U 23 Factory Worker
Christina ADIE Daur U 16 Factory Worker
Henry ADIE Son U 13 Apprentice Tailor
Colin
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JOHN ADIE Married REBEKAH FORKER 00/08/1844 Dysart
1851 Gallatown, Dysart
ADIE John Head M M 29 Hand Loom Weaver FIF Dysart
ADIE Rebece Wife M F 29 FIF Gallatown
ADIE John Son - M 5 Scholar FIF Gallatown
ADIE Alexander Son - M 4 FIF Gallatown
ADIE William Son - M 1 FIF Gallatown
Colin
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1841 Gallatown, South East. Dysart = Forker family, all born in Fife
Alexander 42 a Linen Hand Loom Weaver, Jean 40
Rebecca 18, Thomas 16, Hennrey 14, Christina 9, Alexander 6
No trace of John in 1841, as this census was rounded down he would be recorded as age 15-19, if born 1822.
No birth/baptism record for John or Rebecca on SP
I'm not sure where the Grant family fits in?
Colin
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My additional post including a Grant family was referring to the only Agnes Bailie marriage in Fife between 1821 and 1833. There are no links to this family that I am aware of, but thought it could be a possibility based on the couple's marriage and children's baptism dates (ie Grant children born around time of Adie children -John, William, Andrew, Elisabeth, & Agnes) But wasn't able to confirm any of this.
Since John was buried in 1833 with William Horn, I am currently trying to find a connection with this family to help find his origins.
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my name is john adie my father was john adie born 1908 to wlliam adie and jane dickson rosslyn st gallatown kirkcaldy a relative to all above he did have cousins who were horns all born in rosslyn st gallatown my dads uncle had a tailors shop in the gallatown
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Hi John! I apologize that I am only seeing your post now, I must have missed it somehow. But I am very excited to see your reply! Thanks so much for the information, it would be amazing to finally connect my mysterious great-grandfather with the William Horn he is said to be buried with. I'd love the chance to swap family trees. Or if it's easier, I could send you my email.
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i think the reason that you cannot get the information is the gallatown was under the parish of dysart up until late 1800s
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Hi John,
I've searched all births for Fife on Scotlands People from 1820-1834 but John & his four full- siblings have no baptisms recorded. I've tried different spelling variations. It's strange, since his four half-siblings' birth records from 1814-1820 are all available from Dysart. I've looked through the record collections from Fife Family History Society and had their help as well. Either the records are lost or they are filed under the completely wrong name. The marriage between his parents, John Adie Sr. and Agnes Baillie, is also missing.
I do hope to come across at least the marriage record one day since the entry may include some information that could help identify John Sr.'s origin. I'm not sure where he was born, only that he was 38 years-old when he died, a baker, and was buried in the grave of William Horn November 23, 1833 in Dysart. As of now it seems that the only parish records of this family available are after 1844, the first document being the marriage between John Jr. and Rebeckah Forker.
I sent you a private message with my email address
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I am researching the Forker family..
Is it possible that Rebekah Forkers (who married John Adie) are Thomas Forker and Rebecca Smith, they married on 25/5/1793
My line is from Christian Forker born 2/3/1806 who is a possible sister to Rebekah
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Hi Blairvadach,
Rebeckah Forker (c.1822-1897) was the daughter of Alexander Forker (c.1796-1856) and Jane Spence Thomson (1795-1867). Alexander was the son of Thomas Lonie Forker (1763-1847) and Rebeckah Smith (1763-1840), and possibly the brother of your Christian.
Thomas was son of Alexander Forker (1727-1778) and Christian Lonie. Rebeckah Smith was born in Shetland, but her father and family originated in Orkney.
The spelling Forker/Farker is an anglicized form of Farquhar.
Hope this helps.
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my name is john adie my father was john adie born 1908 to wlliam adie and jane dickson rosslyn st gallatown kirkcaldy a relative to all above he did have cousins who were horns all born in rosslyn st gallatown my dads uncle had a tailors shop in the gallatown
I have a family wedding photo from 1901 that I am still trying to identify a handful of people from, please let me know if you'd be interested in taking a look.
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Hi Blairvadach,
Rebeckah Forker (c.1822-1897) was the daughter of Alexander Forker (c.1796-1856) and Jane Spence Thomson (1795-1867). Alexander was the son of Thomas Lonie Forker (1763-1847) and Rebeckah Smith (1763-1840), and possibly the brother of your Christian.
Thomas was son of Alexander Forker (1727-1778) and Christian Lonie. Rebeckah Smith was born in Shetland, but her father and family originated in Orkney.
The spelling Forker/Farker is an anglicized form of Farquhar.
Hope this helps.
Hi AK
Thanks for your reply.
My Christian Forker 1806--1874 was indeed the sister of Alexander Forker.
Christian married John Stark 1800-1861 and their daughter Elizabeth 1828-1890 married John Stark 1831-?. I got a bit confused with her marrying a man with the same name as her father!!!
Elizabeth and John had a daughter, Christina 1857-1943. Christina married Evariste Laval in 1874. Evariste studied to be a doctor in Edinburgh. He originated from Mauritius and ended up back there practicing as a doctor, Christina and Evariste had other children also born in Mauritius. ( his father was a merchant from Maritius)
Do you have any further details on Rebeckah Smith being born in Shetland or her father and his family origins in Orkney?
Cheers
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Hi AK
Thanks for your reply.
My Christian Forker 1806--1874 was indeed the sister of Alexander Forker.
Christian married John Stark 1800-1861 and their daughter Elizabeth 1828-1890 married John Stark 1831-?. I got a bit confused with her marrying a man with the same name as her father!!!
Elizabeth and John had a daughter, Christina 1857-1943. Christina married Evariste Laval in 1874. Evariste studied to be a doctor in Edinburgh. He originated from Mauritius and ended up back there practicing as a doctor, Christina and Evariste had other children also born in Mauritius. ( his father was a merchant from Maritius)
Do you have any further details on Rebeckah Smith being born in Shetland or her father and his family origins in Orkney?
Cheers
This is all so very interesting! It explains why I didn't have much info on Christian Forker until now.
Rebeckah Smith was born 26 Jul 1763 in Vertingsgarth, Sand Cunnings, Shetland. Her father was Magnus Smith born 24 Feb 1723 in Holm and Paplay, Orkney. However, I have not spent much time researching this line farther back yet.
Let me know if you'd like to connect on Ancestry.
Thanks for the info on Christian!
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She can't have been only 43 in 1851 if she was first married to David Burnett.
If she was 43 in the day of the 1851 census, she would have been born in 1807/1808.
David Burnet and Agnes Bailie were married in 1814, when she would then have been only 6 or 7 years old.
I have in my extended Family Tree some Burnetts from Kirkcaldy who married into the Galloway family of Kirkcaldy.
Agnes Burnett (28) married Thomas Galloway in 1916 in Kirkcaldy. Her parents were John and Isabella Burnett.
Do you know of a connection to your Burnet ?
cheers, Ian
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Hi AK
Thanks for your reply.
My Christian Forker 1806--1874 was indeed the sister of Alexander Forker.
Christian married John Stark 1800-1861 and their daughter Elizabeth 1828-1890 married John Stark 1831-?. I got a bit confused with her marrying a man with the same name as her father!!!
Elizabeth and John had a daughter, Christina 1857-1943. Christina married Evariste Laval in 1874. Evariste studied to be a doctor in Edinburgh. He originated from Mauritius and ended up back there practicing as a doctor, Christina and Evariste had other children also born in Mauritius. ( his father was a merchant from Maritius)
Do you have any further details on Rebeckah Smith being born in Shetland or her father and his family origins in Orkney?
Cheers
This is all so very interesting! It explains why I didn't have much info on Christian Forker until now.
Rebeckah Smith was born 26 Jul 1763 in Vertingsgarth, Sand Cunnings, Shetland. Her father was Magnus Smith born 24 Feb 1723 in Holm and Paplay, Orkney. However, I have not spent much time researching this line farther back yet.
Let me know if you'd like to connect on Ancestry.
Thanks for the info on Christian!
Hi AK
Unfortunately, I do not have Ancestry.
I have tried to post a photo of Christian and her husbands headstone but its telling me the file is too big.
This is the site if you want to look at it.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215833613/christian-stark
Cheers Tam
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I have in my extended Family Tree some Burnetts from Kirkcaldy who married into the Galloway family of Kirkcaldy.
Agnes Burnett (28) married Thomas Galloway in 1916 in Kirkcaldy. Her parents were John and Isabella Burnett.
Do you know of a connection to your Burnet ?
cheers, Ian
Hi Ian,
I don't know of any connection, but I can share what I know about my 4th gg's first husband.
David Burnet married Agnes Baillie in 1814, recorded in both Dysart and South Leith. He died in 1821 at 26 years old. I believe David's parents were Jean Diston and David Burnet Sr.
Agnes and David had four children including two boys David (b.1815-d.1881) and Alexander (b.1820-d.1868). Alexander passed away in Brooklyn but David remained in Fife. Both David and Alexander were bakers like their father. David Jr. married Ann Lister and they had a son also named David born in 1852. I do not have any further info on him but I hope this helps!
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Hi AK
Unfortunately, I do not have Ancestry.
I have tried to post a photo of Christian and her husbands headstone but its telling me the file is too big.
This is the site if you want to look at it.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215833613/christian-stark
Cheers Tam
Hi Tam! Thank you for this. Do you have any photos of Christian or her family? I have one photo of Rebeckah. If you want I can email you a copy
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Hi AK
Unfortunately, I don’t have any photos of Christian.
I have only recently started this side of the family research over the last three months. I have an adopted daughter and this is her birth family’s heritage. We had very little information to go on. We knew some information but it was too “young” to be able to access Scotland’s people. We did strike accord with some letters from birth relatives and were able to pull on that thread which was invaluable in tracking back. What helped me was we knew her birth name prior to adoption and it’s not a common name.
The Forkers are linked by marriage to the Stark family.
They too lived in Fife and the. Starks eventually moved to Edinburgh and this is where Christina Stark married Evariste Laval ( Evariste was a Mauritian merchant and Christina’s father was also a merchant) Maybe some fatherly matching!!!
Thanks very much for your help in piecing some of this information.
I am working on each generation which gets quite complicated when it’s six or seven generations back 32 or 64 people. 😳😳
I will probably take out a Ancestry subscription when my Find my past subscription runs out.
Regards Tam