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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: cad on Tuesday 20 April 21 09:44 BST (UK)
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Not a request for myself, but hopefully of interest to someone out there.
I was looking for images of Lambeth on eBay and spotted this new listing, "Original Framed Glazed Golden Wedding, Richard Tilling Lambeth London 1895".
The couple were married at St Mary's Lambeth 1845 and celebrated their anniversary at The Bridge House Hotel, London Bridge Saturday 28th September 1895.
I realised that if this had been an ancestor of mine, I would have been so excited to find this on eBay which is why I am writing this post in case someone on this site is researching this line.
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That is kind of you .
That is what RootsChat is all about. Viktoria.
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How fascinating. There is a little snippet in the Kentish Mercury 27th September 1895 which states:-
GOLDEN WEDDING
TILLING - MILLER September 28th 1845 at St. Mary's Lambeth, by the Rev. Leigh Spencer, Richard Tilling to Mary Ann, only daughter of William and Charlotte Miller.
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I reckon I have found the relevant couple in 1891 transcribed as Silling! Not too surprised having looked at the image.
Richard is a printer born 1821
Registration district Lewisham
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 521
Folio 41
Page 10
This looks to be them in 1851 with two children.
Richard is a Printer Compositor, so kept that all through his working life.
Registration District St George Southwark
Sub District Kent Road
Enumeration District 19
Schedule 156
Series HO107
Piece number 1563
Folio 535
Page 38
Looks like he died in 1905
Deaths Jun 1905
Tilling Richard 84 Lewisham 1d 554
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Richard and Mary Ann are in a lot of trees on Anc but they all seem very light so no-one obvious to ping a message to about this. Bit of shame.
There's quite a bit to find in the newspapers about Richard; couple of pertinent items below. And they both left sizeable estates too.
Kentish Mercury
13 May 1904
Obituary
- funeral took place yesterday at Nunhead Cemetery
- of Mrs May Ann Tilling
- wife of Mr Richard Tilling
- of 136 Court Hill Road, Lewisham,
- whose death occurred on Sunday at the age of 76
- the first portion of the service was gone through at St Switham's, Hither Green
Globe
21 Jun 1905
Deaths
Tilling
- on 18th inst.,
- at his residence, 136, Court Hill, Lewisham,
- Richard Tilling,
- of 106, Great Dover Street, SE,
- in his 85th year
Probate index:
Mary Ann Tilling
of 136 Court Hill Road, Lewisham, Kent
wife or Richard Tilling
died 8 May 1904
Probate
to said Richard Tilling, printer
and George Tilling, solicitor
Effects £3,519
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=tilling&yearOfDeath=1904&page=1#calendar
Probate index:
Richard Tilling
of 30 Court Hill Road, Lewisham, Kent
of 106 Great Dover Street, Newington, Surrey
and of 55 Warner Street, Southwark, Surrey
died 18 Jun 1905
at 136 Court Hill Road
Probate
to George Tilling, solicitor
Effects £24,384
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=tilling&yearOfDeath=1905#calendar
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That was a lot of money, this is what £24K would be worth today:-
£ 2,945,026.34
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Seven children are listed in the 1861 census.
Registration district St George Southwark
Enumeration district 16
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 329
Folio 210
Page 41
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I think there's possibly quite a few children:
1847 Q1: Mary Charlotte Tilling (mmn: Miller); City Of London; 02; 199
1849 Q1: Richard Wood Tilling (mmn: Miller); Lambeth; 04; 290
1851 Q2: George Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George The Martyr Southwark; 04; 496
1853 Q4: William Henry Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George The Martyr Southwark; 01D; 120
1855 Q4: Hannah Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George The Martyr Southwark; 01D; 123
1858 Q1: Frederick Francis Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George The Martyr Southwark; 01D; 130
1860 Q2: Emma Woodhatch Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George Southwark; 01D; 113
1862 Q1: Albert Sizeland Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George Southwark; 01D; 135
1864 Q4: Laura Ellen Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George Southwark; 01D; 120
1867 Q1: Walter James Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George Southwark; 01D; 131
1868 Q4: Alfred Arthur Tilling (mmn: Miller); St George Southwark; 01D; 141
1870 Q2: Alfred Richard Tilling (mmn: Miller); Saint Saviour Surrey; 01D; 39
1871 Q2: Jane Florence Tilling (mmn: Miller); Saint Saviour Surrey; 01D; 41
1873 Q1: Richard Tilling (mmn: Miller); Saint Saviour Surrey; 01D; 45
There's 9 children on the 1871 census:
1871: Warner Street, Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
Richard & Mary Ann, +9 children
Ref RG10; Piece 601; Folio 92; Page 14
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That's a lot of children to do research on!
I have in fact book marked that Golden Wedding picture in order to bid on it and hopefully succeed. I don't intend to try and find descendants, that would be a marathon task :o
Which family history society do you think would be best to approach re offering it to them for their records? That's assuming that I get the picture!
I don't do social media so wouldn't be able to do anything via that.
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I did a quick search in the surname interests and there is a teddy tilling rootschatter who has registered an interest in the London based Tilling surname.
I can't seem to find a way of finding out how long ago this rootschatter was active. Clicking on the name doesn't achieve anything and a search comes up with nothing.
Is there something I am missing with regard to finding out when a rootschatter was last active?
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11596
Hi Girl Guide,
Not quite sure how I got to it but looks like teddy tilling was last active in 2007. A member for two years but no posts.
I think I clicked on the little picture of what looks like a baby's face next to chatter's name on surname interest table.
(Added: Yes that's it. Just done it again. ;D)
Tony.
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Oh thanks for that Tony, something to remember for next time.
2007, that's 13 years ago so no point in making any contact with him then. May have died for all we know.
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Girl Guide,
If you have an Anc. account, and win the bid, maybe the best option would be to create a basic, public tree for Richard and Mary Ann, and attach digitised images of the menu. Adding a note that you have the original and would pass it on. It might attract the attention of any descendent researchers. And if not, at least others who have Richard and Mary Ann in their tress could copy the digitised version, keeping it 'alive' in some sense.
Also, I've followed up these possible children and there doesn't seem to be that many grandchildren of Richard and Mary Ann, and quite a few didn't marry (I haven't followed them all so can't say for sure).
Children of Richard and Mary Ann (who reached adulthood):
Mary Charlotte & John Alfred
11 children
George & Julia
3 children: 2 sons died young, 1 son still-born
William Henry & Julia
3 children: all survived to adulthood, 2 unmarried, 1 married (Constance, possibly 1 child)
Hannah & Frederick
4 children: all survived to adulthood
Frederick Francis & Alice Mary
5 children: all survived early childhood
Emma Woodhatch & John
1 child: survived to adulthood; Emma and John appear to have emigrated to New Zealand
Laura Ellen
unmarried
Walter James & Bessie
no known children; Walter and Bessie appear to have emigrated to US in 1910s
Jane Florence & Samuel Jonathan
3 children: 1 died in childhood, 1 died in adulthood (unmarried), 1 married (Percy Edward, possibly 1 child)
Richard & Hester Henrietta
no known children
Attached is a fuller picture of the (possible) children. There could be mistakes here.
Also, I found an item for the marriage of son Walter to Bessie Gibberd, which gives some more insight into the family.
South London Press
15 Oct 1892
Marriage of Miss Gibberd
- wedding took place on Wednesday
- of Bessie, only daughter of John Gibberd,
- of 477 Old Kent Road
- to Walter James, son of
- Mr Richard Tilling,
- of Southwark
- the event was one of more than passing interest
- Mr Gibberd is one the largest traders in South London,
- and has numerous branches under his name throughout
- the whole of the metropolis,
- sufficient evidence of his popularity and business influence
- Mr Tilling, too, is equally popular
- he his a gentleman who carries on the extensive printing and
- lithographic business in Great Dover Street
- and whose name almost amounts to a household word in Southwark and Newington
- the alliance of two such well-known and respected families was
- therefore an event which their friends and neighbours took occasion to celebrate
...
- the presents numbered nearly 100
- and the majority were of a costly description, including:
- a house at Clapham from Mr Gibberd
- a magnificent piano from the mother of the bride
[long item]
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Goodness Cuffie, you've been busy :D
I don't have a sub to Ancestry so I can't put an image of the picture on there. I'll see if I can get some pics on here. May have to resize to get it on. Probably won't be super duper but will give an idea of them.
Perhaps someone else may be able to get them on to Ancestry?
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Hopefully both will load on here.
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Second one
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I don't have a sub to Ancestry so I can't put an image of the picture on there.
Let me know if you win the bid and I'll put a tree on Anc. And we'll see if we get any bites.
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The great-grandson of Emma Woodhatch (born 1941] looks to be still living in Nelson. (Nz)
Birth announcements
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?items_per_page=10&snippet=true&query=Skuse+gits
White pages
https://whitepages.co.nz/white-all/gits-p-f/new-zealand/
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Thanks for that Cuffie. It comes up on Sunday 7 pm. No bids on it yet.
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Will be interesting to see what happens with it but it would be a real shame if it went out of the family
Louisa Maud
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Well, no surprise to find that I was the only bidder for this. So have now paid and will await its delivery in due course.
Any suggestions as to which family history society or other suitable persons to whom I could offer the picture?
It seems from Cuffie's research that the family is quite large! No doubt tracking any descendants would be a long job.
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Mckha489 does appear to have already found (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=847751.msg7149848#msg7149848) a living great grandchild, so that's one option. Whether the family would be interested is another matter though.
I'll start putting a tree together on Anc over the next couple of weeks although it may be sometime before Anc index it (it can take a few months). It's a bit of a long shot but some descendants might find it and I can direct them to this thread (if you still have the item by then).
As for other descendants, I'll follow up on the children of Frederick, as there may be some there with the Tilling name, so may have more interest.
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Ok Cuffie, I'll hold on to it until all suitable options have been explored. If no descendants are interested then I see about offering it to a family history society or whatever.
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Cuffie - The picture arrived today. I have taken some photos which you may like to load on to Ancestry if you think they are better. If you pm me with your email addy I can send them to you.
I'll find it easier than trying to load them on here. ::)
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PM sent, thanks Girl Guide.
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All I can say is "crikey" ! Well done you all, please make sure you update this post, I would love to know if any descendants ask to have it.