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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: SsGn on Sunday 04 April 21 10:33 BST (UK)
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Good Morning everyone Happy Easter!!
I have hit a brick wall with some research and hope someone can help.
Looking for the following births in Galway.
John Katherine and Christine all born around 1935 -1945. Their father was either a Michael or Patrick Higgins but cannot find any of these names recorded anywhere. I have no idea who the mother was ,but have DNA connections to the Burke family also and believe a John Higgins married a Anne Burke. They have Bridget and Katherine and Mary Can find the girls but not Michael or Patrick anywhere. Clonbur has been found as the area in Galway.
Hopefully someone has some knowledge of this family.
Thank you in advance
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Your message isn’t very clear.
You mention John, Katherine and Christine saying you can’t find any of them.
Then you say you can find Bridget, Katherine and Mary but not Michael and Patrick.
Are these two different families?
Family search has Irish BMDs.
There are these entries for Higgins/Burke. Christina is in Tuam but others Galway. Of course they might not be the same families.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhu/
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There is this marriage but it is much ( earlier than your time scale
John Higgins and Anne Burke 1913 Clonbur
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09892/5594143.pdf
There are births for Mary, 1916; Catherine 1917; and Bridget, 1920 for this couple in Oughterard district on Irish genealogy https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ which are perhaps the ones you refer to?
Births after 1920 are not online but you may find them on the Family Search site I referred to and you will be able to send for certificates.
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Hello Heywood,
I am looking for the birth of John and his two sisters Christine and Katherine in Galway between 1935 and 1945. I thought originally from Information I had been given that the mothers surname Maiden name was Burke. However it now seems the grand mother's surname was Burke. So I do not know the mother or the father of the three siblings John Katherine and Christine. Neither can I find a birth for John , Katherine, or Christine. They apparently moved from Clonbur to Meath then onto England.
I have been given information that their father was either Michael Higgins or Patrick Higgins born around 1914 and these two brothers had sisters Mary, Bridget and Kate. These were from Clonbur. I have found the birth of the three girls but nothing for Patrick or Michael. Their mother was called Anne Burke and she married John Higgins in Oughterard in 1913 and live in Clonbur
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Who moved to Kent? Which members of the family and when? Where those children born in Galway, Meath or Kent?
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There is a published tree with the three girls - Higgins/Burke but no mention of any brothers.
Are you working from a published tree?
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Might not people born 1935 - 1945 still be alive so shouldn't be named here? I am in this age group!!
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Might not people born 1935 - 1945 still be alive so shouldn't be named here? I am in this age group!!
Oops - never thought of that. I am trying to work my way through the names ::)
Marriage of Bridget - Clonbur
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08787/5176198.pdf
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I have been given information that their father was either Michael Higgins or Patrick Higgins born around 1914 and these two brothers had sisters Mary, Bridget and Kate. These were from Clonbur. I have found the birth of the three girls but nothing for Patrick or Michael. Their mother was called Anne Burke and she married John Higgins in Oughterard in 1913 and live in Clonbur
Only three girls born to the Higgins-Burke marriage between 1913 and 1920.
Mary 1916, Catherine 1917 and Bridget 1920.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhw/
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Might not people born 1935 - 1945 still be alive so shouldn't be named here? I am in this age group!!
Sandra,
As Josey has pointed out, those later names should be removed. Rootschat policy is that we do not post names if there is a possibility they could still be living.
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No They are not , from the information I have been given
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I have been given information that their father was either Michael Higgins or Patrick Higgins born around 1914 and these two brothers had sisters Mary, Bridget and Kate. These were from Clonbur. I have found the birth of the three girls but nothing for Patrick or Michael. Their mother was called Anne Burke and she married John Higgins in Oughterard in 1913 and live in Clonbur
Only three girls born to the Higgins-Burke marriage between 1913 and 1920.
Mary 1916, Catherine 1917 and Bridget 1920.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhw/
Yes but apparently two boys too a Michael and Patrick which are nowhere to be found. A distant relation gave this information but she doesn't know why the boys cant be found,
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Maybe the distant relative has the generations wrong or something.
Who moved to Meath and Kent? Did the siblings marry in Kent?
Hello Heywood,
I am looking for the birth of John and his two sisters Christine and Katherine in Galway between 1935 and 1945. I thought originally from Information I had been given that the mothers surname Maiden name was Burke. However it now seems the grand mother's surname was Burke. So I do not know the mother or the father of the three siblings John Katherine and Christine. Neither can I find a birth for John , Katherine, or Christine. They apparently moved from Clonbur to Meath then onto England.
I have been given information that their father was either Michael Higgins or Patrick Higgins born around 1914 and these two brothers had sisters Mary, Bridget and Kate. These were from Clonbur. I have found the birth of the three girls but nothing for Patrick or Michael. Their mother was called Anne Burke and she married John Higgins in Oughterard in 1913 and live in Clonbur
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Heywood The father and the mother of the three siblings so whoever the dad is Patrick or Michael and the three children so that apparently was around 1945 when they moved to Meath.
Now this could all be completely wrong and I am going by what i've been told.
So really I need to find the brothers or brother of Katherine, Bridget and Mary.
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The 'Familysearch' website shows a number of Higgins civil birth records registered in Oughterard district in the 1920s, including a Patrick in January 1926 and April 1927, and a Michael in July 1923, but I don't know if these were the children of John and Anne. Same website shows a Higgins birth in October 1928 registered in that district with the mother's maiden name given as Burke, (I'm withholding the forename in case alive, but you can see it yourself on the website), but again, in the absence of seeing the actual record, it's not conclusive.
Under the 100 year rule I'm not aware of any official source where you will find the content of these birth records shown online.
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Sandra,
Whilst you seem to be specific with names, the rest of your information is very vague.
As gaffy says, there are other Higgins in the area.
Here is a marriage for Michael Higgins and Catherine Carney/Kearney.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09037/5269968.pdf
If you look on Family Search - Irish BMD, there are births to this couple (well with those surnames) including Michael.
This is just one example of a Higgins from Clonbur.
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The information is vague as I don't have it other than what I have given.
Originally thought the mother of the three siblings born between 1935-1945 was Burke as that is the only mother found anywhere for the three children.
But it seems their grandmother was Anne Burke who was married to John Higgins in 1913 in Oughterard. They had three girls Bridget Mary and Kate born between 1916 and 1920. The father of the three siblings born between 1935 and 1945 should have been born in 1914 and the name is either Patrick or Michael Higgins but cant be found anywhere. He apparently was born in Clonbur and moved to Meath around 1950. This is all the information I have
As John and Anne were married in 1913 and their first grandchild was born around 1935 Patrick and Michael would have to have been born around 1914 so Anyone born around 1927 is not the father.
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Have you searched for a Higgins death in Meath for the father who moved?
Have you got marriages/deaths for the ones who moved to Kent?
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nothing at all I'm afraid as I cannot find any of them
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The information is vague as I don't have it other than what I have given.
Many of us have had family stories passed down; I hope yours prove correct & I am sure rootschatters will give as much help as they can, but sadly some family stories do prove to be just that - misremembered or distorted through time.
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Well, I think we’ve offered all our ideas.
I think you need to get more information. The family you have, do not have the two boys in that time line.
Perhaps it is a different family. You may need to go back to your Burke family rather than dwell on the Higgins group.
Are your Burke family also from Clonbur?
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As mentioned before, there is/are published tree/s (all by the same owner) which has the three girls. This has been mentioned before.
Have you seen it? ‘Clonbur families ‘- perhaps you might find more information from the owner.
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I have just found the following on another tree but they have stopped at the death of John
John Higgins
born October 1881 Mullaghdroma, Cloughbrack Upper, Clonbur, Galway, Ireland
Died July 1996 Gaillimh, Galway, Ireland
Married Anne Burke 1913 Oughtererad
John's parents
Patrick Higgins
Catherine Klyne
Still no sign of two boys born to John and Anne. So I have no idea how they are not registered but at least one has gone on to have a family.
Thank you everyone for your help. It is appreciated
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As mentioned before, the is/are published tree/s (all by the same owner) which has the three girls. This has been mentioned before.
Have you seen it? ‘Clonbur families ‘- perhaps you might find more information from the owner.
Just found it as mentioned in my previous post :)
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That’s good that you found that.
Without naming anyone who may still be alive, can you post the ‘evidence’ that you have re the one you have who goes ‘on to have a family’ .
Where do you have the children?
What is your Burke connection to Clonbur?
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Heywood,
Burke connection apparently is Anne Burke married to John Higgins in 19113
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I have just found the following on another tree but they have stopped at the death of John
John Higgins
born October 1881 Mullaghdroma, Cloughbrack Upper, Clonbur, Galway, Ireland
Died July 1996 Gaillimh, Galway, Ireland
Married Anne Burke 1913 Oughtererad
Lived to be 114......what an amazing record!
He's not on the list of oldest men in Ireland.
https://gerontology.wikia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_men_from_Ireland
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Heywood,
Burke connection apparently is Anne Burke married to John Higgins in 19113
What is the connection? Is it a DNA match?
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Well exactly !!! so I have contacted the tree owner waiting for his reply.
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Good luck :)
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Thank you
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Please let us know the outcome. It is intriguing.
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Haha you could be waiting a while.
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If it’s anything like my DNA matches - never ::)
Can you not follow your Burke ancestry in the meantime or quiz the distant relative? They must be knowledgeable about some connection as it is quite recent. (Not like mine, I mean, who emigrated 1870s onwards.)
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we are not intouch with this side of the family so are only going by information given via Ancestry .We have very little knowledge on the family tbh Ex husband details and a grandfather's name and hes Irish and that's it lol
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Don’t rely on Ancestry hints or trees for that matter.
If it is a DNA match, then it will tell you what the match is likely to be.
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I know !!! It says what the match is just nobody seems to know who the person :D
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My closest match did reply but just to say that their parent was adopted so no other information.
I suspect that my next closest is also a similar situation but they didn’t reply. ::)
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I'm researching my Burke family in Tuam, Galway in the 1800s. I have come across Higgins too. They haven't intermarried yet, but they are close neighbours. Please let me know if you are still working on this. As discussed, Ancestry data can be wrong/different line.