RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: brigidmac on Friday 02 April 21 09:19 BST (UK)
-
I was sent this article when researching STOTT family
I don't know if these siblings are relations
The other Surnames mentioned are MOSLEY + Cartwright
COUSINS
It's so sad .
Killed or injured in a crush watching a penny show
-
Cinema was in its infancy then
A penny show would have been quite a lot of money
My cousin has a DNA match to STOTTs who may be related
there is a Hardy STOTT on one tree it's an unusual first name
Is there a list of the other children who died ?
Are there any relatives out there ??
-
The Sheffield Evening Telegraph of 13 January 1908 has all the names and some photos:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000276%2f19080113%2f099&stringtohighlight=hardy%20stott
-
Full list and photos here: http://beyondtheparanormal.co.uk/2020/04/09/barnsley-public-hall-disaster/
-
Thanks Shaun
I just found that STOTT tree has cut portraits of the two siblings and used as profile picture for the siblings who died holding hands
The children are very young to be going to a cinema hall alone
Aged 3-8
Though that last article also gave details of older siblings who escaped
& The story of the brother who decided to spend his pocket money on sweets instead of the show
Maybe the majority of dead were tots because more vulnerable in a crush
-
There is something strange about the "portraits " of the children
Nellie Swift s looks like a typical photo
Are the others photos of really good drawings or could they be photos taken after death was that practice still used in 1908
I've posted one picture on photo forum to ask their opinions... awaiting approval .
-
There's a link to a 24 min video about the event
I've not. Watched it yet
And the link.i was sent didn't work
-
I opened Shaun's link on rely#2
But you have to subscribe to see article
Here's the photo from the other newspaper
I.ll list the children soon
There are 3;names in top corner
?
? LEE
Albert WARD
& From articles and film 🎥 in next post
Flossie (Florence) SMITH 8
Charlotte NORTON
Annie JOHNSON
#John HIBBERT 6
CARTWRIGHT
Winifred SWIFT
Full list on next page
It may be possible to find out more about their families at that time ...that kind of trauma would affect future generations as will
-
Here's the link to the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJncUSqZO0
-
Thanks Gan Yan
Brilliant viewing I loved everything about it
The old film clips. the street views and superposition onto present maps
the discovery of the graves .+ The research from inquest and old newspapers.
The song "I'm a Barnsley lass"
The poem
& The narrator's Barnsley accent ...he's a radio presenter
I look forward to finding out more about the photos .
The youngest wouldn't have had school photos age 4 & 5 would they?
-
Here's the full list
-
The youngest wouldn't have had school photos age 4 & 5 would they?
I think at that time they would have started school around 5, but there was some provision within the education act for free education from 3. (Even today the law only requires children to be in education, either in school or otherwise, from the term after their 5th birthday, but of course most start school a long time before that.)
Another possible source of the photos could be Sunday School! Probably most of them attended, even the young ones.
-
Sadly it happened a lot. Wikipedia
"Victoria Hall disaster
The Victoria Hall disaster occurred on 16 June 1883 at the Victoria Hall in Sunderland, England. A total of 183 children died. Victoria Hall was a large concert hall on Toward Road facing onto Mowbray Park."
-
Thanks Gan Yam from the film some of them lived close together so could have gone to the same Sunday school
Zaphod ...thanks what region town is mowbray park
Photo people have we ruled out idea of
Death masks ?
-
Mowbray Park is Sunderland, England.
Z
-
Zaphod ..how could so many children be killed was it a crush too or a floor collapsing
Who did authority's blame for that .
-
This is the photo that is different from most of the others .her brother Fred was caught in crush too ..survived with injuries
Their brother was the one who'd decided to spend his penny on sweets instead of seeing the show.
-
And here is Mary Jane LEE s strangely touched up photo ?
I will add link.to post on photo page (when approved )with of Mary Elizabeth STOTT. Aged 8 Who died holding hands with her brother aged 4 one of the youngest to die
Also still clutching his penny .!
It was Mary LEE who's brother had chosen not to attend and spent his penny on sweets .
My cousin is related to STOTTS via their grandfather thru illegitimacy .
-
What can have happened to Mary Lee in post above to her or her photo around her mouth or chin.?
-
Me and my mates used to go up that staircase from school to visit the museum, which, if my
memory serves, was on the top floor. At that time we didn't know of the tragic events that had
occurred there.
-
Thanks for your memories
-
The photos I posted on photo board were not approved for some reason
Maybe because I'd already posted one on here .
Hopefully one of the photo buffs will see this post and contribute their opinions regarding death masks and the collage and original sources of the newspapers photos and whether or not they'd have tried to neaten up the pics
-
The children are very young to be going to a cinema hall alone
Aged 3-8
In that era, and even into the 1940s (from my own experience) it was not uncommon for small children to do things which would not be considered now.
Some what later, during the General sgtrike of 1926, a three year old boy took messages from the Union in Edlington Doncaster to Brodsworth, also Doncaster, a distance of some 6 miles. He did this because the police would not stop and detain him thinking he was too you to be involved. I was told this by the person concerned, Ken Sampey who became National President of the Pit Deputies Union (NACODS) during the 1970s. Also, it was quite common around 1950 or later for children to travel alone by rail, the guard was told of their presence and given the name of the person who would meet them and where. SAdly perhaos, it is considered no longer safe to do such things.
-
Have just worked out how my cousin relates to the STOTT children who died
His great grandfather William STOTT 1870 was the brother of Hearty STOTT 1875 father of 2 children who died
The great grand daughter of the surviving brother told me that the family did carry the grief for generations .
The new match is a granddaughter descended from.a younger child.
So my cousins grandfather was their cousin .