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Looking for the birth of Robert Gourley in Co. Down circa 1860 son of Robert Gourley and Grace Jameson, they were married in Gilnahirk Church 16 Jul 1864. Robert Gourley (1860) married Mary Jane Henderson 1881.
I have all details for Robert except his birth obviously he was born before his parents married so he might be Robert Jameson. I also have no info for Grace Jameson it shows on her wedding certificate her father was John Jameson.
Maghrascouse and Ballygowan are the areas.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks. Fran...
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Looking for the birth of Robert Gourley in Co. Down circa 1860 son of Robert Gourley and Grace Jameson, they were married in Gilnahirk Church 16 Jul 1864. Robert Gourley (1860) married Mary Jane Henderson 1881.
Civil registration of births started in Ireland in 1864.
Before that date, church records (if they are in existence) will need to be found, and you will need an idea of location (parish if not actual townland).
Here's the 1864 marriage in Gilnahirk Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11615/8275987.pdf
Magherascouse townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-lower/comber-castlereagh-lower-portion/ballygowan/magherascouse/
Robert Gourley jnr also married in a Presbyterian church in 1881 so you probably need to look for Presbyterian baptism records.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide-to-Church-Records-October-2019.pdf
P.324, P.270
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Thank you for your quick reply.
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Does this assist ?
First Name Surname Year Father's First Name County
Robert Jameson 1859 Down
Parish/District Comber
Denomination Church of Ireland
Date of Birth 08/09/1859
Date of Baptism/Registration 08/01/1860
Mother's Surname Jameson
Comment 2 mother's occupation - sewer, child illegitimate, mother's residence Ballywilliam, no father recorded, no mother's maiden name recorded
From:https://www.ancestryireland.com/ (subscription site)
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Thank you so much Sam. This looks like the birth I have been searching for!! You are a star. Cheers and thanks again. Regards Fran.
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just in case you are seeking further Gourley
from http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/G/Go.htm
ROBERT GOURLEY . Kilmood husband of Grace Jameson; father of John b. 3 Jun 1865 CR
Miss Ann/ Anna GOURLEY . Kilmood daughter of John Gourley; married James Carse 17 Nov 1849 aged 18; mother of Robert b. 1865 & Agnes b. 1870 & Thomas b. 1872 BVR; CR
Miss Ann GOURLEY . Kilmood mother of Thomas b. 15 May 1868 CR
Henry GOURLEY . Kilmood of Ballykeel ; leased a house & garden from James Ritchey in 1863 GV
James GOURLEY . Kilmood husband of Margaret Jane Carson ; father of Henry b. 2 Dec 1872 CR
Miss Jane GOURLEY . Kilmood wife of William Joseph Scott ; mother of William b. 1872 CR
Miss Mary GOURLEY . Kilmood wife of Thomas Kirk Gibson; mother of William Henry b. 1870 CR
Thomas GOURLEY . Kilmood son of John Gourley; aged 24, married Agnes/Nancy Carse 7 Oct 1848; father of Henry b. 23 Apr 1865 & Mary b. 4 May 1866 & Robert b. 7 Jan 1868 & Henry b. 18 Nov 1869 & Agnes b. 17 Nov 1870 & Martha b. 11 Oct 1872 BVR; CR
John Gourley b~1824 came to Kilmood? might be the line
could he be the son of or the same person as found in the Tithe Applotment books
Gourley, John-Townland: Crossgar Year: 1833-Kilmore-Down-
Gourley, John-Townland: Oughley Year: 1834-Saintfield -Down-
Gourley, John-Townland: Rathcunningham Year: 1827-Killyleagh-Down-
Gourley, John-Townland: Toye Year: 1827-Killyleagh-Down-
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Thank you so much for all the very helpful information you have provided it is so useful and I appreciate your help and what a lot of information you have given me.
My Great grandfather was Robert Gourley circa 1860 and Ballygowan was the area he came from.
Once again many thanks. Regards Fran...
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Hello again Fran21
the location of where the father John Gourley lived at the time of Roberts marriage was halfway along the Magherascouse Rd, in the townland of Magherascouse the closest village/town being Ballygowan . They lived about a mile and half NorthEast of Ballygowan
I looked entry up Griffiths valuation John Gourley
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=55&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=gourley&firstname=john&baronyname=&countyname=DOWN&unionname=&parishname=COMBER
you can look up each heading Details eg 1863 printed edition Original Page Map Views
Robert Gourley father was John Gourley farmer of Magherascouse townland
John ‘s farm map ref 15 in the townland consisted of
19 acres 3 rood and 25 perchs of land and a house valued at £1 fifteen shillings.
I don’t know what else you know ! Nevertheless in case it helps heres more info for you
To see the plot today go to google map find Magherascouse Road which runs from Ballygowan all the way to the old ballygowan Road . travel north on the Magherascouse . keep going past a lane on the left hand side then Loughview Road on the East side, the next turning on the west side of the divides into two lanes the right hand lane leads to the homestead original site via a sudden 90 degree turning north then use satellite view to see two buildings are visible possibly separated by a patch of Gorse?
I finiahed off a historical directory of Comber civil parish in 2008 , download free 30 mgbits
http://www.comberhistory.com/comber%20directory.pdf which doesn’t include the census
you will see the several references to Magherascouse in these entries for Gourley
but look up Magherascouse please.
Gourley, Comber Area Magherascouse Or Ballygown Area ReseArcher freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
, Roll Call Gcarse ‘At’ Burcom, Com, Au.
Gourley Agnes Jane Magherascouse Down: North Ballygowan Orange Hall & Church Ulster Covenant 1912 in www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Elizabeth, Magherascouse Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details Document1
Gourley, James, Drumkirk Comber, Down: North, Comber, Square (The), Ulster Covenant 1912 www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, James, Magherascouse Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details Document1
Gourley James Magherascouse Down: North Ballygowan Orange Hall & Church Ulster Covenant 1912 in www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Jane, Miss. Comber & Holywood Wife of William John Dugan; Mother of John B, 1865 & Mary B, 1871 CR, freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley, John, Comber Member of Ballygowan Flute Band In 1880 Photo, freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley, John, Drumkirk Comber, Down: North, Comber, Square (The), Ulster Covenant 1912 www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, John, Magherascouse Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details Document1
Gourley, Joseph, Magherascouse, D/654/A3/1B, Freeholder in www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Lizzie, Drumhirk Comber, Down: North, Comber, Square (The), and Houses, Ulster Covenant 1912 www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Mary Jane, Drumhirk Comber, Down: North, Comber, Square (The), and Houses, Ulster Covenant 1912 www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Mary, Miss. Comber Received a prize at Magherascouse School Presentation Oct 1898 Msch P20, freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley, Thomas, Ballyaltikilligan, D/654/A3/1A, Freeholder in www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Thomas, Ballyaltikilligan, DOW/5/3/2, Freeholder in www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Thomas, Drumkirk Comber, Down: North, Comber, Square (The), Ulster Covenant 1912 www.proni.gov.uk
Gourley, Thomas, Mr, Comber of Magherascouse; Led The Psalms At Ballygowan Presbyterian Church In 1838 Msch P11, freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Gourley, Thomas-Ballygowan-Killinchy-Griffiths Valuation 1863?-Document1
/griffiths/down/killinchy.htm
Gourley, William, Crossnacreevy Householder in Griffiths Valuation ~1863 several websites have details Document1
Gourly William Crossnacreevy D/654/A3/1N Freeholders in www.proni.gov.uk
end of part 1
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continued
griffiths valuation continues in books held by the PRONI see
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books you can look them up for free
Magherascouse - Magherascouse Comber Down 1866 1878
Magherascouse - Magherascouse Comber Down 1879 1882
Magherascouse - Magherascouse Comber Down 1883 1894
Magherascouse - Magherascouse Comber Down 1895 1908
Magherascouse - Magherascouse Comber Down 1909 1921
Magherascouse - Magherascouse Comber Down 1921 1929
you can look up each and see changes eg did
going back to John Gourleys birth https://www.ancestryireland.com/ one of these might be him
GOURLEY JOHN 1836 Down
GOURLEY JOHN 1841 Down
GOURLEY JOHN 1850 JOHN Down
familysearch.org made me look at mary gourley b 1834 magherascouse how does she fit in
changing to Graces’s family
Jameson/ Jamison Ballywilliam Comber parishthe townland sits on the top left hand corner of Maghesascouse , southwards is Ballyrush adjoining Maghersascouse running down to Ballygowanbaalygowan townland is
John Jameson m
children
Grace Jameson possibly Ballywilliam
children
1. Robert Jameson / b 08/09/1859 baptism/registration 08/01/1860 Church of Ireland.
did he change name at Presbyterian marriage time in Gilnahirk to Grace Jameson whose father was John Jameson ?or when his young brother John b3 Jun 1865 robert later m Mary Jane Henderson
2. John Gourley b3 Jun 1865
from Comber directory
Ballywilliam, Jameson, John, Ballywilliam, D/654/A3/1B, Freeholders in www.proni.gov.uk
Ballywilliam, Jameson, John, Ballywilliam, D/654/A3/1Q, Freeholders in www.proni.gov.uk
Ballywilliam, Jamison, Eliza, Down: North Comber, 1st Presbyterian Church, Ulster Covenant 1912 in www.proni.gov.uk
Ballywilliam, Jamison, Mary, Down: North Comber, 1st Presbyterian Church, Ulster Covenant 1912 in www.proni.gov.uk
Ballywilliam, Jamison, Mary, Down: North, Tullynakill, Homes, Ulster Covenant 1912 in www.proni.gov.uk
freeholders show 3 entries at PRONI one dates from 1798 please look up
Surname Forename Address ProniRef Details .
Jameson John Ballywilliam D/654/A3/1B More Details .
Jameson John Ballywilliam D/654/A3/1B More Details .
Jameson John Ballywilliam D/654/A3/1Q More Details .
stopping !
good luck Jim
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Hello Jim,
Thank you for so much information !!!! It will take me some time to process it all, so kind of you to help me.
I do have quite a lot on the Gourley family and my sister and I have visited Ballygowan, we hope to make another visit after it safe to travel as we live in England and we are not allowed to travel anywhere !!
But thanks to you we have plenty now to research.
Many thanks again. Regards Fran .....
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enjoy your next visit to Co Down
BallyaltikilliganG
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Hey - good afternoon.
I just came across this and seen the message, so I signed up so I can say I. I might now live in the house the Gourleys lived in in Magherscouse. Im in number 21 Magherascouse Road and have an old photo of the family and the cottage (that's still there).
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Here's Google Imagery for 21 Magherascouse Road about 2km north-east of Ballygowan.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s9g/
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Hey - good afternoon.
I just came across this and seen the message, so I signed up so I can say I. I might now live in the house the Gourleys lived in in Magherscouse. Im in number 21 Magherascouse Road and have an old photo of the family and the cottage (that's still there).
Hi Karen
Thank you so much for getting in touch, very interesting you now live where my ancestors live. I would be very grateful if you could pass on any photos.
How nice of you to take the time to sign up just to pass on this information. Best regards Fran...
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Hi Karen
Thank you so much for getting in touch, very interesting you now live where my ancestors lived. I would be very grateful if you could pass on any photos.
How nice of you to take the time to sign up just to pass on this information.
Best regards Fran....
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Thank you Kiltaglassan, for the Google map link. Fran
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Hi..just seen the messages. I'll take photos tomorrow. The main house is still here, it's over 200 years old. I'll send some over.