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Title: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: milto1384 on Monday 29 March 21 21:20 BST (UK): Hi,

I'm just wondering if anyone has any information or any links to the following ancestors who emigrated from Scotland to Canada? By the looks of it my great grandad William Murdoch Elder was the only one of his family that stayed in Scotland.

The rest were:

Mother:

Mary Jane Murdock b. 5/11/1863 (Ire) m. 5/2/1880 (Sco) d. 27/2/1932 Canada

Siblings:

Robert Wallace Stewart b. 4/11/1880 (Ire)
Andrew Irvine b. 15/11/1883 (Sco) m. 9/9/1919 (Can), d. 1/11/1948 (Detroit)
Frank Kirkpatrick b. ~1882 (Sco) m. 9/9/1922 (Can) Not with fam on 1891 census
John b. ~ 1895 (Sco), m. 25/10/1912 (Can)
Daniel b. ~1891

I managed to find the various certificates through scotlandspeople and familysearch but any additional information at all would be great.

Thanks,

Alan
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: dbree on Tuesday 30 March 21 00:12 BST (UK): Hi,

Is it Robert Elder as opposed to William.

Ontario Death Record,
Elder, Frank Kilpatrick, b. Aug. 14, 1892 Glasgow, married, spouse Mary Isobel Dickson, d. June 10, 1944 Hamilton Ontario, occupation guard Westinghouse Co., father Robert Elder, mother Mary Jane Murdock, wife M. Elder was the informant, cause of death arterial sclerosis with occlusion, buried Woodland Cemetery, Hamilton.

Family Search should have this death but I can't find it.

Frank served with the Canadian Forces WW1, which give his dob Aug. 17, 1892, but confirms
his death as June 10, 1944. His file is very slow to load, 78 pages.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2856-S048

Frank is with Mum in the 1921 Canadian Census, Hamilton/Wentworth, Ontario
Elder, Mary, head. age 58, widow
Elder, Frank, son, age 28, drill hand
Swan, Jennie, daughter, age 26, spinner
Rogers, Robina, granddaughter, age 5
Elder, Annie, daughter, age 14
Click on it to enlarge
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003050115

DB
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: dbree on Tuesday 30 March 21 01:18 BST (UK): Hi,

On the 1921 census Frank gives his year of immigration as 1913, I think this is him on the ship
Grampian from Glasgow to Quebec arriving June 13, 1913
Elder, Frank, age 22, b. Scotland, driller, destined to SS Marie (Sault Ste.Marie) Ontario (which is
mentioned in his WW1 service file).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HGM-1C7

Returning from WW1, on the troop ship Belgic from Liverpool to Halifax arriving Oct. 7, 1919
Elder, Frank, L/Cpl service #55608, place of residence Sault Ste Marie
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2H2Y-GYD

DB
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 30 March 21 02:39 BST (UK): Frank will not be on 1891 census as he was born 1892, See entry below from SP
ELDER
FRANCIS KILPATR
M
1892
646/2 1093
Govan

Irish birth record for Robert Wallace Stewart ELDER 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02854/2046115.pdf
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 30 March 21 02:44 BST (UK): Marriage of Robert Elder and Mary J Murdock
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11024/8031076.pdf
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: dbree on Tuesday 30 March 21 03:19 BST (UK): Hi,

Andrew Irvine Elder also serves with Canadian Forces WW1 b. Nov. 15, 1883, his next of
kin is father Robert Elder, 26 Albert St. Soo,(a Canadian shortened version of Sault Ste. Marie) Ontario. 52 pages
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2856-S032

Ontario Death Record, Steelton, Algoma Ontario
Elder, Robert, age 58, married, b. Scotland, gas operator, d. July 7, 1917, cause of death
gas poisoning, informant John Elder, 26 Albert St., Soo, Ontario
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX3B-3Y4

Find a Grave, Greenwood Cemetery, Sault Ste. Marie, Algoma Ontario
Elder, Robert, b. 7 Nov 1858 d. 7 Jul 1917
"Erected by his fellow employees of the blast furnace Algoma steel plant'
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175367442/robert-elder

DB
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: bbart on Tuesday 30 March 21 03:49 BST (UK): Quote from: dbree on Tuesday 30 March 21 03:19 BST (UK)
Elder, Robert, age 58, married, b. Scotland, gas operator, d. July 7, 1917, cause of death
gas poisoning
DB

There is a description of the accident here (scroll down to page 30) :
http://www.geologyontario.mndmf.gov.on.ca/mndmfiles/pub/data/imaging/B032/B032.pdf
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 30 March 21 04:13 BST (UK): There is also a daughter named Anne / Annie. She married in Ontario in 1928.
Burial here
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/166708842/annie-elder-lawson

Another daughter Jane born abt. 1895 is on census.
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 08:23 BST (UK): Following on from all the contributors above........... :) :)

Quote from: milto1384 on Monday 29 March 21 21:20 BST (UK)
Hi,

Siblings:

Andrew Irvine b. 15/11/1883 (Sco) m. 9/9/1919 (Can), d. 1/11/1948 (Detroit)

Thanks,

Alan

Obituary - Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 2 Nov 1948, Tue Page 17

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74702441/obituary-for-andrew-elder/

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 08:25 BST (UK): FIND A GRAVE

Andrew I Elder - Interment 11/4/1948

Mount Olivet Cemetery Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan.
PLOT Sec 17 Lot 749 Sp 1

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165901149/andrew-i.-elder

Mary Elder - 1885 - 1981

Mount Olivet Cemetery Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan
PLOT Sec 17 Lot 749 Sp 2

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165901098/mary-elder

named on headstone inscriptions Loretta May Logan Geliske - 1914 - 1941

(Loretta married Frederick Asa Geliske on September 8, 1933 in Detroit, Michigan)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/205275699/loretta-may-geliske

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 08:33 BST (UK): Andrew Elder - 1930 census - Detroit (Districts 0751-0879), Wayne, Michigan.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7SV-68V

1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:KHS6-F8F

Michigan, Eastern and Western Districts, Naturalization Records, 1837-1993

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Z7MX-GBPZ

Death Certificate - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:KFW2-CMB

Marriage - 30 August 1919 Sault Ste Marie, Algoma, Ontario.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:27DM-9G1

1942 WW2 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J4SR-4LR?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=GW7K-FS6

Canadian Attestation Papers -

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=376014

digital file - can be slow to load - 52 pages - interesting read

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2856-S032

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 08:39 BST (UK): Obituary Mary Elder - Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan
27 Jun 1981, Sat Page 26

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74702645/mary-elder-27-june-1981/

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 08:41 BST (UK): Obituary for the son Robert J Elder Jnr

Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 31 May 2006, Wed Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74702671/obituary-for-robert-j-elder-aged-85/

FIND A GRAVE

Robert J Elder - 1920 - 2006

Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Southfield, Oakland County, Michigan.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150804095/robert-j.-elder

Marilyn D. Elder - 1927 - 2014 (with photograph)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133770793/marilyn-d.-elder

Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 7 Aug 2014, Thu Page A6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74702713/marilyn-elder-7-august-2014/

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 08:47 BST (UK): Florence - daughter of Robert and Marilyn - U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index

Florence June Elder - Florence June Delise Florence Delise
Birth Date 14 Jun 1926 Detroit, Michigan died 8 Feb 2005
Father Andrew I Elder - Mother Mary McPike.

Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 12 Feb 2005, Sat Page 10

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74702803/florence-delise-12-february-2005/

Marriage - Florence J Elder born 1927 married 11 February 1947 Wayne Michigan - aged 20 years -
Residence Place Detroit, Michigan
Father Andrew Elder - Mother Mary McPike - Spouse Frank Delise.

Obituary - Frank P Delise -

Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 24 Dec 1987, Thu Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74702766/obituary-for-frank-p-delise/

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:20 BST (UK): Quote from: dbree on Tuesday 30 March 21 00:12 BST (UK)
Hi,

Frank is with Mum in the 1921 Canadian Census, Hamilton/Wentworth, Ontario
Elder, Mary, head. age 58, widow
Elder, Frank, son, age 28, drill hand
Swan, Jennie, daughter, age 26, spinner
Rogers, Robina, granddaughter, age 5
Elder, Annie, daughter, age 14
Click on it to enlarge
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003050115

DB

Engagement/Marriage - Robina Rogers - Thomas K Liles

The Windsor Star Windsor, Ontario, Canada 13 May 1942, Wed Page 16

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74703703/marriage-of-robina-liles/

Wedding photo

The Windsor Star Windsor, Ontario, Canada 26 Jun 1942, Fri Page 33

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74703778/marriage-of-liles-liles/

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:22 BST (UK): Detroit Michigan US Border Crossing - Robina Elder Liles born 1916 Glasgow Scotland - aged 27 years -
Arrival Date 13 Sep 1943 Detroit, Michigan.

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:24 BST (UK): Obituary Thomas K Liles - husband of Robina Rogers/Liles

The Windsor Star Windsor, Ontario, Canada 21 Dec 1999, Tue Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74703735/obituary-for-thomas-k-lues-aged-81/

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:27 BST (UK): Robina Liles - 14 March 2005

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/robina-liles-obituary?pid=3287324

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:35 BST (UK): Quote from: Neale1961 on Tuesday 30 March 21 04:13 BST (UK)
There is also a daughter named Anne / Annie. She married in Ontario in 1928.
Burial here
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/166708842/annie-elder-lawson

Another daughter Jane born abt. 1895 is on census.

Details of marriage - Annie Elder born 1907 Scotland. Married 18 July 1928 Wentworth Canada, aged 21 years -
Father Robert Elder - Mother Mary Jane Murdock - Spouse Lawrence Victor Lawson.

Lawrence Victor Lawson born 1906 - aged 22 years
Father James William Lawson - Mother Ann Eliza Brooks.

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:47 BST (UK): John Elder - John Murdoch Marntock Elder born 1886 Govan Scotland married 25 October 1912 Algoma Dist. Algoma. Ontario. aged 26 years.
Father Robert Elder - Mother Mary Jane Murdoch - Spouse Robina Brodie.

Robina Brodie born 1885 Tayport Scotland and aged 27 years.
Father Devitt Brodie - Mother Robina Thomson
Spouse John Murdoch Marntock Elder.

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:50 BST (UK): 1921 census 162 Balmoral Ave Wentworth Hamilton Ontario.

John Elder   35   Head. Pipe-Fitter.
Ruby Elder 35   Wife
Robert Elder 8   Son
David Elder 6   Son
Douglas John Elder 4   Son
Phylas Elder 5 months. Daughter

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003050122

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:54 BST (UK): Robert Boden Elder - Birth Date 21 May 1913 Algoma, Ontario.
Father John Murdoch Elder - Mother Rubina Border.

As transcribed - Robert Brodie Elder 1913 Sault Ste Marie Ontario. Married 22 October 1938 - Hamilton Wentworth Ontario. aged 25 years
Father John Wierdoch (should read Murdoch) Elder - Mother Robina Elder - Spouse Violet Emely Piggott.

Violet Emely Piggott born 1914 Brantfor Ontario - aged 24 years
Father Arthur Henry Piggott - Mother Beatrice Mand Piggott
Spouse Robert Brodie Elder.

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 10:56 BST (UK): Genweb - Robert B. Elder 1913-1996 and Violet 1914 - 1977
Eastlawn Cemetery (Section: 18), Wentworth County, Ontario

http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/290038

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 11:02 BST (UK): David M. Elder - Birth Date 15 Dec 1914 Algoma, Ontario.
Legitimacy Y
Father John M. Elder - Mother Ruby Elder.

FIND A GRAVE

David M Elder - died 1995

Greenwood Cemetery Burlington, Halton Regional Municipality, Ontario.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163759284/david-m-elder

spouse - Edrie M Elder died 1993

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163759285/edrie-m-elder

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 11:06 BST (UK): Obituary - Phyllis Marie Elder born 1920 Balmoral Avenue Hamilton. Died 29 December 2011 Burlington Ontario. Obituary Date 29 Dec 2011
Parents John Elder - Robina Elder
Siblings: Loy Loy Harry Edrie Robert Douglas David. (all deceased)

Sandra
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: milto1384 on Tuesday 30 March 21 15:56 BST (UK): Sorry, I’ve just got home from work to all these messages! This is unbelievable! It will take me time to digest all the information!

I really appreciate all your assistance
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 30 March 21 16:12 BST (UK): Quote from: *Sandra* on Tuesday 30 March 21 11:02 BST (UK)

David M. Elder - Birth Date 15 Dec 1914 Algoma, Ontario.
Legitimacy Y
Father John M. Elder - Mother Ruby Elder.

FIND A GRAVE

David M Elder - died 1995

Greenwood Cemetery Burlington, Halton Regional Municipality, Ontario.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163759284/david-m-elder

spouse - Edrie M Elder died 1993

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163759285/edrie-m-elder

Sandra

Obituary for David M Elder in the Globe and Mail 25 Nov 1995, page E10.

It says David M Elder C.M., B.A., M.Ed.(Retired teacher at Burlington Central High School). Died in Burlington on Nov 23 1995. Husband of the late Edrie Elder (nee Campbell). Father of D. C. Elder and his wife P Solomon of Ottawa; the Rev D Clark and her husband B of Guelph; R. B. Elder and his wife K of Toronto; A C Elder of Victoria British Columbia; Dr J-A Elder and her husband C Gomes of Burlington. Grandfather of 9 named children. Brother of Phyllis Elder of Hamilton; Robert Elder; and Dr Harry Elder and his wife M, all of Burlington; and the late Douglas Elder.

RK
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: milto1384 on Thursday 01 April 21 06:58 BST (UK): Just managed to absorb all the information! Thanks again! I can’t wait to show my mum, Joyce Elder, this at the weekend!

She always said there was a story of one of the Elders who got some sort of award for doing something brave at a railway, or a railway accident over in Canada. It’s a long shot I know, but do you know of where I could look to try and find out more. I really have no more leads to go on unfortunately!

Alan
Title: Re: Elder family emigrated from Scotland to Canada
Post by: selder on Saturday 13 July 24 17:43 BST (UK): Photos of the monument for Robert Elder are here:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175367442/robert-elder (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175367442/robert-elder)

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