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Abraham BLACKSHAW was born the William BLACKSHAW and Hannah WALLEY in Mobberely in 1806/7. Hannah died in 1808 and William remarried (Betty MOLLINEUX) in 1809. William can be found still in Mobberley in the 1841 and 1851 census. It is 1861 before Abraham turns up in a census by which time he is in Wilmslow. He married Sarah BESWICK in Wilmslow in 1831. They had a daughter, Sarah, in 1838 who died in 1847 and another, Sarah Ann, who was born and died in 1848. Sarah BESWICK also died in 1848 and in 1849 Abraham married Mary HEWITT. They had 4 children before Mary died in 1867. There is another Wilmslow marriage (1876) to Elizabeth WARREN that seems to be him as well. The 1881 census has Abraham as 74, wife Elizabeth aged 28 and an Elizabeth PARKER, aged 34, listed as daughter. Elizabeth PARKER is also on Abraham's death certificate as his daughter in 1881. I have a possible Elizabeth BLACKSHAW marrying a James Edwin PARKER in Bury in 1865 but have failed to find any link between her and her father Abraham. If anyone can shed any light on the relationship between Elizabeth and Abraham BLACKSHAW or where he might have been when the 1841 and 1851 census were conducted I would appreciate it.
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There's an Abraham born 1807 who was imprisoned 5 Jan 1842 for larceny 6 months.
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1851? under Abel Blackshaw age 40 lodger born Moberley Cheshire
with Mary Blackshaw 30
Eliza 17
Martha 1
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Was also going to suggest this
There's a Martha registered in 1850 at Altrincham., mmn Hewitt
Added: Eliza b "Chisley" (possibly Chorley??)
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What about this one for the Elizabeth who marries Parker?
Elizabeth Blackshaw Sep 1843 Macclesfield Union mothers name Beswick
Maybe not, there is an Elizabeth who dies age 7 in 1850, don't know if that was her though :-\
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Eliza's age as transcribed on 1851 doesn't fit the Elizabeth whose birth is found (b 1843) or E Parker in 1881 (b c1847). However I wonder if it's actually age 7 not 17 - the image is a bit feint and it might be a cross in front of a 7 that's been read as 17?
And a possible from 1861 in Cheadle Bulkeley?
Sarah Warburton 49
Ann Warburton 30
Sarah Ann Warburton 18
Elizh Warburton 11
Elizh Blackshaw 17 b Wilmslow, card room cotton. Boarder
RG 9; 2568; 35; 22;
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What about this one for the Elizabeth who marries Parker?
Elizabeth Blackshaw Sep 1843 Macclesfield Union mothers name Beswick
Maybe not, there is an Elizabeth who dies age 7 in 1850, don't know if that was her though :-\
Elizabeth Blackshaw
Birth 19 Jul 1842
Baptism 29 Jul 1842, Mobberley, Cheshire,
Father: William Blackshaw
Mother: Elizabeth
Elizabeth Blackshaw
Death Age: 7
Burial 24 Feb 1850 All Saints, Mobberley, Cheshire,
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Thanks for the responses even though nothing is yet conclusive! I have tracked Elizabeth PARKER through the census and am fairly confident she was in Bury in 1871, Wilmslow (with Abraham) in 1881 and in Heaton Norris in 1891 and 1901. Her husband and two daughters were also in Heaton Norris in 1881 which suggests she was visiting Abraham rather than living with him; he may have been ill since he died of cirrhosis later that year. The census returns provide dates of birth from 1844 to 1847. That being so, I rather fancy the 1843 Macclesfield - in part because Abraham was still married to Sarah BESWICK until 1848 but will need to get the birth certificate to confirm this. I will follow up if I can identify the right one from Cheshire BMD.
The Martha (mmn Hewitt) is the first child of Abraham's second marriage. She died in 1864.
The 1851 census record from Cheadle Buckley fits the names though, as ever, the dates/ages are a bit flaky. And, if this is true, it ties in with Elizabeth continuing to live and work in Cheadle Buckley and lodge with the WARBURTONS in 1861. It would put Abraham/Abel in the greater Stockport area and I know his next child Peter was born on Chestergate in 1852. By 1854 the next child of Abraham BLACKSHAW and Mary HEWITT, William, is born in Wilmslow.
I had heard from one of my father's cousins that she had seen a newspaper extract that Abraham had been locked up for stealing a goat. This may, or may not be the incarceration cited here and I don't know if criminal procedures then would have precluded him being recorded during the 1841 census so that remains a mystery.
With your help, I feel a lot closer to sorting out this story. I might never be able to confirm it, but the narrative hangs together.
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Elizabeth the 1861 boarder is working in a card room. Fairly close to the occupation here
Marriage: 24 Dec 1865 All Saints, Stand, Lancashire, England
James Edwin Parker - full, Dyer, Bachelor, Stand Lane
Elizabeth Blackshaw - (X), full, Carder, Spinster, Stand Lane
Groom's Father: Holland Parker, Porter
Bride's Father: Abraham Blackshaw, Labourer
Witness: Isaac Ogden; Thomas Fidler
Married by Banns by: Thos. Corser, Rector of Stand
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Mabel
That is brilliant! I have been waiting a couple of weeks for this certificate to turn up and now you have confirmed what I had reasoned out from the PARKER census data.
many thanks.
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Hi Mabel
Just wanted to let you know that the Elizabeth BLACKSHAW (b 1843, Chorley) is indeed the right one. The birth certificate turned up yesterday and Abraham and Sarah BESWICK are both on it.
Rod
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Hello. I was interested in the William Blackshaw marriages as I believe my ancestor James Blackshaw witnessed the first marriage (to Hannah Walley). Are you sure that this is the same William Blackshaw that married Betty Mollineux as the signatures are very different.
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Hi Valk
Glad you have contacted me because I have, so far, been unable to make the connection between james the witness and the William/Hannah marriage. IT might help firm up earlier generations for me. Do you know how they fit together?
I hadn't spotted signature differences and this does raise a doubt. My conclusion was based upon several later documents concerning Abraham that record William as a bricklayer. The other William B in Mobberley at the time was in the horse business.
If you don't mind me asking, how do you fit into the illustrious Blackshaw family line?
Rod
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Re: How do you fit into the illustrious Blackshaw family line? My 3x great grandfather was James Blackshaw 1788 - 1845
He married Sarah Brown in 1813 and the signature is identical to that on William Blackshaw's first marriage. He also witnessed the marriage of Phebe Blackshaw. (illegitimate daughter of Ann Blackshaw daughter of Peter, whose birth is transcribed as Phebe Loundes)
The usual birth identified is 1783 father Richard Blackshaw but I have rejected this because james had a 14 year apprenticeship to Peter Blackshaw which if it ended when he was 21 would match the 1788 birth given on his death. He was initially a brick layer but became an inn keeper.
There is an illegitimate birth for James in 1787 (james Daniel son of Henry Daniel and Betty Blackshaw)
The William Blackshaw bricklayer living in Mobberley was born in High Legh - the son of William Blackshaw and Fann Southern?
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PS I think the William Blackshaw who married Fanny Southern could be the son of Peter Blackshaw of Alderley (William b 1754) (William buried Rostherne 1825 (born 1755)
I think the Peter Blackshaw to whom my James was apprenticed could have been another son of Peter Blackshaw of Alderley. Do you have the memorial inscriptions for Alderley published by FHSC? They are quite useful for sorting out the Blackshaw families of Alderley.
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I had got the fanny Southern connection so it is good to have that confirmed. She is also buried at Rostherne (1825) though I do not know where the grave is. i spend a bit of time there since my mother and some her family are in the churchyard.
I have the William of William/Fanny being the some of Peter B (d 1799) and Clarinda Cotler (d 1794). This was more deduction than evidence based and I have been unable to take either of them back further. Is this the peter to which you refer? I am still not clear how your James relates to my William.
I don't have the Alderley memorial inscriptions. I will see if I can get hold of them.
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RE:I am still not clear how your James relates to my William.
Neither am I. I had hoped that when I found the two marriage witness records it would help but I still haven't a clue. There must be some connection. James was an apprentice to Peter Blackshaw of Great Warford so could be a distant relative of the Peter and Clarinda family but knew them well enough to witness their marriages? Being the illegitimate son of Betty Blackshaw and Henry Daniel would fit the scenario of being packed off to be an apprentice for 13 years but I cannot find who Betty Blackshaw was. (she was not the daughter of Peter and Clarinda)
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I have an Elizabeth Blackshaw (b. 1757) to Peter and Clarinda in Mobberley. However, she later married an Edward Parsons on 3 July 1777 in Alderley. Could this be the one? They also have a Peter Blackshaw (b. 1752 in Alderley) who is a possible for your apprenticer.
Again, I have Ann Blackshaw (b. 1760 in Mobberley) as part of the same family.
I think we are getting closer.
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Hello
I eliminated Elizabeth Blackshaw daughter of Peter and clarinda as she was already married when James was born in 1787. Yes Ann Blackshaw is part of the same family. She had an illegitimate daughter (Phebe) and later married someone called Simpson. She is in the same grave as Abraham (1764 -1788) son of Peter and Clarinda.
Daughter Phebe (Hewitt) is in the same grave as Peter and Clarinda.
Yes I am convinced that the master that James was apprenticed to was Peter Blackshaw (1753 -1832) of Great Warford buried in the same grave as Peter Blackshaw buried 1753 aged 61. (born 1698)
Have you looked at the will of William Blackshaw 1733 - 1815? I know Sinderland is about 8 or 9 miles from Mobberley, but this William was a bricklayer. He had a son William. He had a daughter Betty who died at the age of 29 in 1791. His daughter Martha married John Holt in 1798 and an Abraham Blackshaw was a witness. Is it possible the Mobberley family and this family are linked way back. (e.g. both sons of Peter Blackshaw born 1698)?
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I clearly have some catching up to do! You have details that I do not and go back further than I have managed so far. Are these records from the memorial inscriptions you mentioned?
I have the impression that up until mid-century (19th) that there was a degree of mobility in pursuit of work and they shifted from parish to parish. This suggests to me that they were either unskilled (i.e. labourers) or had non-location skills such as bricklaying. Even so, they did not go too far. My line eventually settled in Wilmslow, presumably because of the mills in the area.
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Hello again
I don't know whether you have had chance to look at Alderley 1811 census at https://ebc.byu.edu/Home By a stroke of luck the records for Alderley in 1811 are one of the few available. Ages, but not occupations or relationships, are recorded.
Unfortunately some of the Blackshaws in Great Warford are recorded as Blackshan. I found my James in the household of Peter Blackshan(w) which does not seem to help me further. A record on the same page is for William (aged 29) and Elizabeth Blackshan(w) with a Hannah Blackshan(w) (there is some doubt as to whether she is a child aged 7/12 or an adult aged 70.) This William does not seem to match the William who married Molineux as they would have had a son William, I think. There is no mention of Abraham. I hope this helps.