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Title: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: Peter78 on Saturday 27 March 21 09:12 GMT (UK)
This one is proving tiresome, bless her....

I've photos, death certificates, dates, but can't find her lol (her american line are wanting to know something).

So, Grt Grandma Rose

Born Rose Smith 26.08.1897, Sudbury, Suffolk
Married (1) Cecil Walter Newman 06.1919, Sudbury, Suffolk
Married (2) Jack (John Robert) Barnsdale December 1949, Sudbury, Suffolk
Died 22.02.1973, Sudbury, Suffolk

Rose birthed four children to Cecil Walter - Evelyn, Edward, Peter, Pauline

I know where they lived, who went where regarding the children...

But nothing of Rose herself, and her family line - parents, siblings, dates, places etc...

Can anyone help, please!!!

Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 March 21 10:26 GMT (UK)
What information did Roses marriage give about her father
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: Peter78 on Saturday 27 March 21 10:29 GMT (UK)
All I've got is what I've put in original post I'm afraid, I've nothing else.

Information comes from what my long deceased grandfather had already, combined with the Newman website information, but neither has anything on Rose's side :(
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 March 21 10:31 GMT (UK)
You really need to purchase a marriage certificate to check the information you have been given


This one is proving tiresome, bless her....
Born Rose Smith 26.08.1897, Sudbury, Suffolk

SMITH, ROSE    MMN    SAVAGE 
GRO Reference: 1897  Dec Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 775
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 March 21 10:34 GMT (UK)
If that birth is correct, possible siblings (Information from GRO website)

SMITH, AGNES       - SAVAGE 
1889  Dec Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 639

SMITH, JOSEPH  THOMAS     - SAVAGE 
1891  Sept Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 691
 
SMITH, RICHARD  PAUL     - SAVAGE 
1893  Dec Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 690
 
SMITH, JAMES  WALTER      - SAVAGE 
1895  Dec Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 717
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: ColC on Saturday 27 March 21 10:53 GMT (UK)
I note the birth registration for Rose, do you have the certificate?

SMITH, ROSE       SAVAGE 
GRO Reference: 1897  D Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 775

Only two marriages in the County below.


Marriages Dec 1888   
SMITH    Frederick Arthur        Blything    4a   1722

SAVAGE    Emma Jane


 Marriages Sep 1892       
Smith    Edgar        Blything    4a   1453   

SAVAGE    Alice Louisa W


Colin

PS Sorry Rosie, I saw the red alert, your post did not show, I think we posted at the same moment.
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: ColC on Saturday 27 March 21 11:00 GMT (UK)
Possible parents?

Marriages Dec 1888   
SMITH    Frederick Arthur        Blything    4a   1722

SAVAGE    Emma Jane


SMITH, EMMA    died   61 
GRO Reference: 1900  M Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 569


Colin
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 27 March 21 11:00 GMT (UK)
PS Sorry Rosie, I saw the red alert, your post did not show, I think we posted at the same moment.

We were 20 minutes apart  ;D.   No need to apologise we have given different information.
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: ColC on Saturday 27 March 21 11:10 GMT (UK)
This 1901 census has too many coincidences, no Rose but worth a look?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSV3-K23

Colin
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: ColC on Saturday 27 March 21 11:27 GMT (UK)
Sep 1889
Smith    Thomas        Sudbury    4a   905
Married Harriet Walker

On 1901 census posted above.

SMITH, AGNES       SAVAGE 
GRO Reference: 1889  D Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 639

SMITH, MARY       SAVAGE 
GRO Reference: 1901  M Quarter in SUDBURY  Volume 04A  Page 892

As were Joseph, Richard & James posted by Rosie.

No Bessie born Sudbury, so for whatever reason I think that is Rose?

Colin
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: Jool on Saturday 27 March 21 11:40 GMT (UK)
In 1911 Bessie is now called Rosa  :D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GN-CK1
Title: Re: Grt Grandma Rose (Smith/Newman/Barnsdale)
Post by: ColC on Saturday 27 March 21 12:03 GMT (UK)
Thomas & Harriet Walker in 1891.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4NF3-QW2

There is a GRO for Thomas Smith in Halstead, Essex but no clear match with those of possible Frederick Arthur.

Colin