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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: hnb13 on Saturday 27 March 21 04:50 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for my ancestors who immigrated from England to Australia.
My gt grandfather was John Body born 1850 in London area and migrated to Australia, died 1919 in Melbourne Australia. He married a Mary Smith in Melbourne Australia in 1881.
His father was also a John Body b 1819 d unknown. Occupation believed to be a tailor. He married Ann Holland (1818-1905) in Lambeth England.
My 3rd gt Grandfather is believed to be William Body but this is unsubstantiated ( b&d unknown)
I have no knowledge of English ancestors.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated
regards
Harold (hnb13)
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Hello Harold
On the parish record of the marriage (30 Oct 1843, Lambeth) of John Body and Ann Holland, John is recorded as a tailor, and his father is William Body, a chemist. Ann’s father is Thomas Holland, a coal merchant.
The 1851 Lambeth census shows John Body age 32 born Lambeth Surrey –journeyman tailor, Ann Body age 32 born Sydenham Kent, and children: John age 6 born Clerkenwell, William age 4 born Greenwich, Thomas age 2 born Lambeth.
There is a possible baptism for John Body on 16 Aug 1818 (born 17 July) at St Mary Newington. Parents names William (Grocer) and Ann Body – address Gray’s Walk, Lambeth.
Is there any reason that you have posted your question on the Irish forum?
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Thank you Neale, great information.
My mistake,I did not realise I had posted on the Irish forum.(I was in the Irish forum looking for my mothers ancestors- Somerville)
Should I repost my request in a different forum?
best regards
Harold
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Should I repost my request in a different forum?
You might get more help if you have it moved to England forum.
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There is a possible baptism for John Body on 16 Aug 1818 (born 17 July) at St Mary Newington. Parents names William (Grocer) and Ann Body – address Gray’s Walk, Lambeth
A possible marriage for William Body and Ann Grey - 18 Feb 1811 St James, Piccadilly Westminister (both recorded “of this parish”).
I think the William Body probably died early, as I cannot find him in census.
There is a possible burial for William Body (age 55) at St Mary, Lambeth on 18 Jan 1837(workhouse death). – so born abt 1783.
In the 1851 census (St Giles Cripplegate) I can see Ann Body (widow) laundress age 61, daughter Mary Ann Body age 41 – dressmaker; son James Body age 34 – working pharmacist; son George Body age 18 – gold cutter; William Body age 36 – wharehouse man; Sarah Body age 33 – wife of William, Frederick W Body age 2 – assumed son of Sarah and Wm?
James Body born 1816 - son for William and Ann Body (brother to your John)
Is in1861 census (Manchester), age 44, working as a druggists assistant; married to Matilda Mortimer with Children James, Caroline Ann, Mary Ann.
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Hello,
I am looking for my ancestors who immigrated from England to Australia.
My gt grandfather was John Body born 1850 in London area and migrated to Australia, died 1919 in Melbourne Australia. He married a Mary Smith in Melbourne Australia in 1881.
His father was also a John Body b 1819 d unknown. Occupation believed to be a tailor. He married Ann Holland (1818-1905) in Lambeth England.
My 3rd gt Grandfather is believed to be William Body but this is unsubstantiated ( b&d unknown)
I have no knowledge of English ancestors.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated
regards
Harold (hnb13)
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Thank you once again Neale, the added information/documentation is fantastic.
I have reposted my request in the English forum as you advised.
The information you have sent is greatly appreciated
regards
Harold
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John Body (tailor) is in 1881 and 1891 census living St Martin in the Fields, rego district, The Strand.
There is a death registration 1896 (april quarter) Strand, London for John Body age 77.
Do you know when your Gt grandfather John Body emigrated to Australia?
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John, I assume, would have emigrated to Australia before 1881 as he married in Melbourne in Oct 1881 to Mary Smith originally from Tasmania
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Ann Holland, birth date 17 Sep 1818, father Thomas and mother Ann. Baptised in parish of Beckenham, Kent on 18 Oct 1818.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/598456eaf493fd7852bb6e29/ann-holland-baptism-kent-beckenham-1818-10-18?locale=en
Thomas Holland marriage 18 Aug 1817 to Ann Healey, - Beckenham, Kent.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817e622e93790eb7fc31254/ann-healey-thomas-holland-marriage-kent-beckenham-1817-07-?locale=en
Post amended to remove incorrect census data.
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If your family is John BODY who married Ann HOLLAND on 30 Oct 1843, their son John has birth registered Sep qtr 1844 at St James Clerkenwell. Father John was a tailor - they are reasonably easy to find on the census records.
On the marriage of John and Ann, it has his father as William BODY (chemist) and her's Thomas HOLLAND (coal merchant).
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Thanks Neale :)
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thank you maddys52
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I think the William Body probably died early, as I cannot find him in census.
There is a possible burial for William Body (age 55) at St Mary, Lambeth on 18 Jan 1837(workhouse death). – so born abt 1783.
In the 1851 census (St Giles Cripplegate) I can see Ann Body (widow) laundress age 61, daughter Mary Ann Body age 41 – dressmaker; son James Body age 34 – working pharmacist; son George Body age 18 – gold cutter; William Body age 36 – wharehouse man; Sarah Body age 33 – wife of William, Frederick W Body age 2 – assumed son of Sarah and Wm?
James Body born 1816 - son for William and Ann Body (brother to your John)
Is in1861 census (Manchester), age 44, working as a druggists assistant; married to Matilda Mortimer with Children James, Caroline Ann, Mary Ann.
Also a William Body buried 6 Oct 1845 age 62 at St Giles without Cripplegate, residence Paul's Alley. Better fit on location with family in 1851
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Here's the family in 1841
Piece number 727, Book number 9, Folio number 19, Page number 32
William Body 55 nbic warehouseman (same occ as on son William's marriage to Sarah Jane Cooper)
Ann Body 45 Middlesex
William Body 25 nbic
Mary Body 25 nbic
Jane Body 12 Middlesex
George Body 8 Middlesex
Emma Body 19 Middlesex
Odd that Emma is last, maybe she's not a daughter
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Interesting baptisms
William Body - an adult of the parish of St Giles Cripplegate baptised on 28 Jan 1835 at Lothbury Independent. His daughter Jane born 4 May 1829 was baptised on the same day at same place. Jane married Charles Dilnot Hobbs on 15 June 1856 at St Jude Islington. George Body was a witness. William's occupation was warehouseman on marriage record.
The problem with getting back any further is that we don't know where William was born, only that he wasn't born in Middlesex
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Also a William Body buried 6 Oct 1845 age 62 at St Giles without Cripplegate, residence Paul's Alley. Better fit on location with family in 1851
Yes Lizzie, I think you have the correct death for William.
I see now that the family were in st Giles Cripplegate at least as early as 1832, when George was born.
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Children of William Body and Ann Grey
1. Mary Ann – baptised 18 Dec 1811, St Mary the Virgin, Mortlake, Surrey. Died 1879 Middlelesex – not married.
2. Martha (twin? to William) – baptised 18 Sept 1814, St Mary, Barnes, Surrey (father’s occupation: Baker).
3. William – baptised 18 Sept 1814, St Mary, Barnes, Surrey (father’s occupation: Baker). Married 11 may 1845 St Giles Cripplegate to Sarah Jane Cooper.
4. James – born 27 Oct 1816, baptised 24 Nov, St Mary Newington (father’s occupation cowkeeper). Married to Matilda Boyd. Occupation chemist
5. John - born 17 July 1818 - baptised 16 Aug 1818 at St Mary Newington. (father’s occupation grocer). Married 30 Oct 1843, Lambeth to Ann Holland.
6. Emma – baptised 27 Oct 1822 St Mary Abbots, Kensington (father’s occupation cowkeeper). Married 1847 Devon to Thomas Gribble. Died 1908 St Pancras.
7. Jane – born 4 May 1829 - baptised 1835 non-conformist church Founders Hall Lothbury, London. Married 15 June 1856 Islington to Charles Dilnot Hobbs
8. George –born 11 Oct 1832 – baptised non-conformist church 28 Jan 1835 at Founders Hall Lothbury, London (parents address St Giles Cripplegate). Married 27 May 1860 Southwark to Mary Ann Watkins Borrow. Occupation: Jeweller. Died 1894 West Ham, age 62.
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Can you please list all the information on these two certificates.
VIC BDM
BODY John marr. SMITH, Mary
5776/1881
BODDY Jno parents Ann HOLLAND / -
@ Rmond age 75
14662/1919
The death certificate will record "years in the colony"
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The Body family have another link to Australia through Jane Body (b. 1829) who married Charles Dilnot Hobbs in 1856. They were in New South Wales and had 4 children born there.
• Richard F Hobbs born & died 1857 Sydney
• Charles G Hobbs born 1858 Kingston NSW
• William J Hobbs born 1860 Kingston NSW
• Mary J Hobbs born 1862 Kingston NSW
The family then return to England and Charles Dilnot Hobbs re-married in 1868 to Esther Tuck and goes on to have about 8 more children. I don’t know when Jane, his first wife died – could not see a death in NSW.
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Hi wivenhoe
information on certificates as requested
thank you
Information on marriage certificate 5776/1881
Marriage date = 1st October 1881
Marriage Place = Gore street, Fitzroy, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (District of Collingwood)
Groom = John Body born London,England
Occupation = waiter
Age = 34
Parents = John Body (occupation Tailor) & Ann Holland
Bride = Mary Smith born River Don, Tasmania
Occupation = Laundress
Age = 23
Parents = John Smith (occupation Farmer) & Mary Smith
Information on Death certificate 14662/1919
Death date = 23rd July 1919
Death Place = 54 Garfield street, Richmond, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Cause of Death = various/heart failure
Age = 75
Parents = John Body (occupation Tailor) & Ann Holland
Buried = 25th July 1919 Coburg Cemetery
Place of birth = Amwell?, Clerkenwell, England
Years in Victoria, Australia = 42
Children at death = William 36, Sydney 34, Harold 32, Gordon 31, Ethel 28, Margaret 27, Leslie 22.
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Children of John Body (tailor) and Ann Holland
John Body born 11th Aug 1844 – baptised 9 Nov 1845 St Alphege, Greenwich, Kent. (father’s occupation – Tailor, address Church St)
William Body (born abt. 1847) and Thomas Body ( born 1849) were both baptised on the same day – 12 June 1853 St Thomas, Lambeth. Age or date of birth not recorded (father’s occupation – Tailor, address 3 Isabella St).
1871 census [Lambeth] has lodgers: William Body, age 22 born Greenwich Kent, occupation – printer; and his brother Thomas Body, age 20 born Lambeth Surrey - occupation – printer
George Body born 1856 Lambeth – died 1856 Camberwell
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William Body, age 26, arrived Maryborough QLD on 7 May 1874 on board “Glamorganshire”. (No sign of his brother John on the same ship)
Married 2 April 1878 Sydney NSW to Anna Potter
Son William Ernest Body born Paddington 1879
William Died 9 June 1880 Rushcutters Bay, NSW (see newspaper item)
Burial: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187573155/william-body
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Thomas Body (b 1849) married in 1875 Camberwell, London to Elizabeth Mary Holland. (Her father was Thomas Holland (born 1820 Beckanham Kent), and could be brother to Ann Holland who married John Body) ie. Cousins married.
1911 census (Peckenham) Thomas is 62 – manager of printing machines; wife Elizabeth Mary is 60. Son Thomas J C Body born 1878 is no longer living by 1911.
Died 1913 Camberwell
Burial: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/218129619/thomas-body
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Possible emigration for John Body in 1869
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:DSWF-416Z
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2 topics merged
Sarah
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Thank you all for your assistance and advice
best regards
Harold
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Hello again, can someone please advise when the spelling of Body changed to Boddy, appears to have happened in Australia. There are two distinct families in England with the two variants of the spelling, it could cause unnecessary research if the wrong family spelling is selected.
Some of my BDM cert's show Boddy where other cert's show Body. My family uses Boddy in Australia but my ancestors in England used Body, could it just be a case of phonetic spelling?
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Spellings were not consistant until c.1900 so treat Body and Boddy (+ variants) as potentially the same family before then.
The Agricultural Revolution forced unemployed country labourers to move to the cities so your C19th Bodys probably moved there from elsewhere to seek work. I have no idea if they are connected but there was a family of Bodys just west of London in South Buckinghamshire who go back several hundred years b4 1800.
e.g. Will of Thomas Bodye of Farnham Royal 1573 Bucks RO DAWe 17 12 https://shop.buckscc.gov.uk/s4s/WhereILive/Council?pageId=2347&pid=36803787-1a6a-4c46-bbfb-a5ad00f89b6b&supId=c988f85e-be98-4bf3-b184-a5ad00efd350&bcgId=fcea1611-2a26-4a1d-a4a6-b480f7423e14 (https://shop.buckscc.gov.uk/s4s/WhereILive/Council?pageId=2347&pid=36803787-1a6a-4c46-bbfb-a5ad00f89b6b&supId=c988f85e-be98-4bf3-b184-a5ad00efd350&bcgId=fcea1611-2a26-4a1d-a4a6-b480f7423e14)