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If anyone has access to the marriage records for Lambeth District I would appreciate some information on a marriage that took place in the Mar Qtr of 1894 between an Arthur W Montague and Amelia J Lewin
I cannot find them in 1901 and I have no birth or further info on Arthur
Amelia Jane was born in Finsbury in 1867, her father is Arthur Lewin b 1834 in Billesdon, Leics
The marriage may not have lasted very long as in 1911 Amelia Montague is a widow age 43 and living back in Leicester with her recently widowed father so Arthur must have died by the census date in 1911
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks SC
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Not been able to find a church marriage so far
Where was Arthur born and did you find him on any census
Louisa Maud
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Can't help with parish record, however there is this marriage notice:
"MONTAGUE - LEWIN. - On the 15th inst. at Brixton,
Arthur Wm. Montague to Amelia Jane, only daughter
of Arthur Lewin, late of St. Mary Bourne."
Wednesday, Jan. 24, 1894, Southampton Herald
There is a notice about an Arthur W MONTAGUE in Navy Appointments being appointed to the Excellent in 1886 - a possibility?
Also, in case you don't know, there is an article about the inquest into Arthur LEWIN's wife Jane's death in 1883. Happy to transcribe or send you a copy if you'd like.
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Hi maddys 52 and louisa maud
Sorry I dont have any birth info for Arthur and so not found on a census yet
Thank you for the marriage details, pity it doesnt give any further info on Arthur
however I would be interested in the details on the Navy Appointment as it might give some more clues on Arthur
If you could send me a personal message with the details of Jane's death that would be appreciated I assumed she had died in childbirth -she was only 29 and had just lost 2 children
Arthur Lewin moved back to Leicestershire and re-married
Thanks so much
SC
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Just a correction to the info I wrote in my last reply about Jane Lewin so as not to cause any confusion
It was Arthurs son Morley Lloyd Lewin (Amelia Jane's brother) who also married a Jane and she is the one who died age 29 after losing 2 very young children a year apart and leaving Morley with Arthur Henry and another Amelia Jane
This whole section of my Lewins has far too many repeated names to keep track of
SC
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SC, will send you a pm - Jane (Arthur LEWIN's first wife :) ) died of "apoplexy" aged 38, very sad.
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I see Amelia was born 1867. You may want to bear this birth in mind for when you get the 1894 marriage cert
Arthur William Montague June qtr 1866 Brentford 3a 60 - mmn Brownson
Henry William Montague (full age - gentleman) married Elizabeth Brownson (18) 2.1.1865
Fathers - William Montague - gentleman & William Brownson - farmer
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Looking on FreeBMD, I see there are only 11 Arthur MONTAGUEs born since registration began up to 1878, and of those only 4 that are simply "Arthur" or "Arthur W".
The Arthur MONTAGUE born 1876 at Shoreditch, appears to have been in trouble with the law and is described as "insane", having "a condition of mental enfeeblement; he is childish" - in 1906 and 1908 - and there is no mention of a wife in Court Proceedings.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-17-19061119&div=t19061119-17#highlight
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-21-19080428&div=t19080428-21#highlight
The most likely appears to be Arthur W MONTAGUE born 1866 at Brentford, mmn BROWNSON. He was baptised Arthur William at Southwark on 13 March 1867, parents Henry (gentleman) and Elizabeth, of 6 Grosvenor Place.
That family is fairly easy to find in the census records.
However, I suspect the easiest way to find your Arthur MONTAGUE is to get the marriage certificate and see what profession, his father's name etc. ;)
Carole posted while I was typing, so will post this anyway. ;)
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Hi Carole and maddys52
Thank you both for the latest replies and all the information
I also had decided the best bet for the birth year for Arthur William was probably the one in Brentford
I will look into this a little further now
Thanks SC
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mmn Brownson
If he was the Arthur William Montague who died in 1930 aged 62, he also used the names John Brown and Arthur Williams per the probate calendar.
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Hi Shaun J
I saw that info somewhere but decided it couldnt possibly be the correct one because Amelia Montague was listed as widowed on the 1911 census living back in Leicester with her father
I still need to find a more suitable death year for my Arthur W but have so far drawn a blank
Thanks, SC
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His wife might have assumed his death perhaps because he might have disappeared, I dispensed with the death 1930 because she was shown as a widow on 1911, he seemed to be about the right age in the right area perhaps he is your man.
LM
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Hi louisa maud
I suppose it is possible if he were the one who maybe was in the Navy
an appointment to something in 1886 was mentioned earlier in the thread
the 1866 one would be 20
thinking about it there was also no info on him in the announcement of the wedding from the Southampton paper which might be of significance
lots of food for thought here
SC
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The 1886 navy reference is a red herring. It's wrong. It stems from a typo in the London Evening Standard.
The correct announcement (per the Army and Navy Gazette) was "Arthur W. Carter and Montague G. Cartwright to the Excellent, for short course of torpedo and gunnery, and then to Cambridge for gunnery". The Standard garbled this to "Arthur W. Montague J. Cartwright, to the Excellent"
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The most likely appears to be Arthur W MONTAGUE born 1866 at Brentford, mmn BROWNSON. He was baptised Arthur William at Southwark on 13 March 1867, parents Henry (gentleman) and Elizabeth, of 6 Grosvenor Place
The father was Henry William Montague per the baptism record.
The 1930 probate record names the Administrator as James Douglas Montague. His marriage record (filed with his divorce papers) names his father as Henry William Montague.
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Hi Shaun
Thanks for clearing up the Navy record
I did find that probate info on FS with the name James Douglas Montague and figured he must be a relative - I also found a poss m for him in 1895
I assume from what you quoted that it was Arthur who got divorced not James ? do we know when?
so perhaps Amelia didnt want anyone in Leicester where she had lots of relatives to know she was divorced in 1911 - less stigma to say you are widowed than divorced- just surmising
SC
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I assume from what you quoted that it was Arthur who got divorced not James ? do we know when?
No, it was James that got divorced
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Hi Shaun
Thanks for checking
So I will do some more searching to see where Arthur W and Amelia J were in 1901
Regards
SC
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In the absence of anything concrete so far for 1901, not sure if you have seen this entry:
Emily Montague, 30, widowed, dressmaker, b. England.
She is showing as a prisoner at HM Prison, Cathedral Square, Glasgow (Duke Street) :-\
Monica