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I am looking for help to track down the deaths of my great grandparents. James (Joseph) Mooney was born 19th August 1859. His wife Catherine (Clara) was born 1867 in Dublin. In the 1901 & 1911 census they are living in Liverpool with their 4 sons. After that the trail goes cold. They were Catholic. I have a load of incorrect certificates, so any help would be appreciated.
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There is a family tree on Ancestry which has a James and Catherine Mooney with four sons. James Mooney (1859-1945) and Catherine (1867-1941) Both buried in Ford Cemetery, Liverpool. Sons - Matthew (1888-1955), Joseph (1890-1955), Thomas (1892-1952) James (1897-1937). Hope these are the right ones. Cheers
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Thanks for that, it is probably mine, but I know the death dates are not accurate.
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When you say ‘the trail goes cold’, do you mean for some/all the family or just James and Clara?
Do you have the sons’ marriages? Is James noted as deceased?
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I have 4 sons, I know what happened to them, I have been in touch with one stem to see if they know, but no, they are as mystified. 1 stem dies out, 1 is my stem & the last one I have had no replies. 3 brothers stayed around Liverpool, my grandfather came to London.
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Can you clarify - was he James Joseph Mooney or James known as Joseph?
Same question re Catherine/Clara
1901 shows them as James & Catherine but in 1911 she is Clara K
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTS-S9P
You say you have a "load of incorrect certificates" but using a birthyear range 1857-1861 produces no deaths in Liverpool for a James Mooney & only one for Joseph which was 1943
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Liverpool electoral registers
1920 - 1923
James and Kate Mooney are at 7 Noel Street with James Christopher Mooney
1925 -1926
James and Kate Mooney
Not in Noel Street after 1926 it seems
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www.freebmd.org.uk
A Catherine Mooney b 1867 died 1928
Another b 1869 died 1941
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Electoral registers
1931/2 Kate Mooney at 5 Low Wood Street
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A Catherine Mooney, age 55, married woman, R.C. , of 7 Noel St was buried at Allerton Cemetery 11th November 1926.
Though the age is 'out' ( age at death is often incorrect) name and address match, so worth investigating.
Will attempt to see if there was a death notice in the newspapers which may help.
Boo
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That looks good Boo.
Thanks :)
The 1930s entries not her then.
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I have looked through death announcements in every edition of the Echo for 5 days prior to this lady's burial but can't see a death notice, sorry - it was worth a shot.
IF this is the same Catherine Mooney the burial record says she was a married woman, rather than a widow which would indicate her husband was still alive.
Boo
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Catherine Mooney was buried in the same grave as her son Matthew. He died in 1924.
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Catherine Mooney was buried in the same grave as her son Matthew. He died in 1924.
Just beat me to it heywood :-)
His death notice is in the Liverpool Echo
Liverpool Echo 8 Oct 1924 page 6 col 6
MOONEY October 4, suddenly, in his 37th year, MATTHEW (Matt), the dearly loved husband of Lydia Mooney 49 Boswell Street. Interment at Allerton Cemetery tomorrow (Thursday) at 2 pm
so that burial for Catherine is starting to look very likely now as her entry in the Allerton register did say it was a 'subsequent' burial (i.e. not the first burial in that grave).
As an aside it sounds like Catherine had been ill for a while (?possibly a stroke in 1919)
1919
Sefton General Hospital (Toxteth Park Workhouse) Admission, DIscharge and Creed Registers
admitted 25 Aug 1919, discharged 10 Sep 1919
"Kathleen" Mooney, d.o.b. 19 Aug 1865
reason for admission Hemiplegia
address 7 Noel St
religion R.C.
information given by son
married to James , a plasterer
Boo
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I can’t see James anywhere. I wonder if he went to live with family after Catherine’s death.
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Liverpool electoral registers
1920 - 1923
James and Kate Mooney are at 7 Noel Street with James Christopher Mooney
1925 -1926
James and Kate Mooney
Not in Noel Street after 1926 it seems
James Mooney is registered to vote in 1927-1928 and 1928-1929 at 7 Noel St. He is the only person listed in the electoral registers at that address for those years.
By 1929-1930 he's not there and 7 Noel St has different occupants.
Still not finding him for definite in the registers after that, but he must have survived Catherine by at least 2 years - a baby step forward to finding a record of his death/burial.
Boo
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That’s great. I don't know how I missed him ::)
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That’s great. I don't know how I missed him ::)
I tried putting Noel Street in the keyword box, leaving everything else blank and limiting the search to a year at a time from 1926.
Bit of a faff, but sometimes it pays off :-)
Boo
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I am looking for help to track down the deaths of my great grandparents. James (Joseph) Mooney was born 19th August 1859. His wife Catherine (Clara) was born 1867 in Dublin. In the 1901 & 1911 census they are living in Liverpool with their 4 sons. After that the trail goes cold. They were Catholic. I have a load of incorrect certificates, so any help would be appreciated.
These certs you have, which entries in the deaths register have you been able to discount from them?
or are these certs not all for James and Catherine but for your tree in general?
Its a real disappointment when you have bought a cert, waited eagerly for it to arrive and then it turns out to be the wrong one.
I'm not sure which is worse, the feeling you have wasted money or the frustration that you 'still' haven't found them.
Boo
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That’s great. I don't know how I missed him ::)
I tried putting Noel Street in the keyword box, leaving everything else blank and limiting the search to a year at a time from 1926.
Bit of a faff, but sometimes it pays off :-)
Boo
That’s how I found them initially :) Perhaps when I went back I just searched for Kate - must have done to get those later entries for Kate which are not her.
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This is amazing, the 1926 one certainly sounds right, the 1928 I know is wrong.
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I've just done a wide search on FreeBMD (which lets me download the results and bung them into a spreadsheet)
I used the following criteria
Surname Mooney
First name James
Death age/D.O.B. @1854-1864
date range from 1927 to left that blank
and did not specify a county or a district but searched the whole of England & Wales.
I got 15 results, for men of this name whose age at death indicates they were born 1859 +/- 5 years
the years of death range from 1928 to 1951 and they are from a variety of counties.
starting with the nearest to Liverpool area there were 3
1928 Q4 Prescot 8b 804 age 67 (born c1861)
1933 Q2 West Derby 8b 421 age 68 (born c 1865)
1940 Q1 Liverpool N 8b 606 age 76 (born c1864)
Are you able to discount any of those?
Boo
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I just wondered, his children had all either died or married, his wife died, he disappeared from the electoral registers c 1928/29
so I checked on Irish Genealogy and have just seen a death register entry for a James Mooney who died in 1938, Dublin South
06 Jan 1938 , 75 Lower Leeson Street,
James Mooney, male, age 75, a widower occupation PLASTERER (ooh!) , cause of death chronic bronchitis & myocarditis, cardiac failure. His death was registered on 19th Jan 1938 by H. Mooney, sister, of 75 Lower Leeson Street.
and as its on Irish Genealogy. http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ that image is free to download
What do you think?
Boo
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That really does look like it must be him, the plasterer thing is too much of a coincidence, and my father and uncle remember going to stay with an aunt in Dublin. Thank you all for your help. I think we've cracked it!
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Well it does look quite possible but not writ in stone, if it were me I'd want something else to tie it back to the family that were in Liverpool. Perhaps a query on the Dublin forum could bring some suggestions regarding where he may be buried (in case that record gives more clues to confirm/deny it).
My knowledge of searching in Ireland is fairly limited and people there would have a lot more idea about what resources may be available.
If you do post there, give them a link to this thread too so they have some background.
Boo
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I will do more digging, but it is a direction to explore. I only have his sisters as Kate & Ellen, so will see what else I find.