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Hi,I am new to rootschat and I am looking for any information about the Hill family of Hawarden. My grandfather was Joseph and I believe he married his cousin Hannah and they lived in Bebington. They had one child, my father, also Joseph born 1909. Joseph senior died in 1910.
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I note the records you mention. All registered in the Wirral'
Marriages Sep 1907
HILL Joseph Wirral 8a 957
Married Hannah Hill
HILL, JOSEPH born HILL
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 424
HILL, JOSEPH died 32
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 287
If the Hawarden you refer to is the one in Flintshire I cannot see a birth record there for Joseph senior, or the Wirral or Lancashire but plenty elsewhere.
Colin
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Welcome to Rootschat :D
As ColC has mentioned there only appears to be one birth of a Joseph Hill with a mother's maiden name of Hill.
Don't seem to be able to find Joseph on the 1911 census. Did his mother remarry?
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HILL Joseph HILL Hannah 1907 Bebington, St Andrew .Wirral
Cheshire bmd
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The image for the marriage of Joseph and Hannah is on Find My Past, it says:-
Married on 10th July 1907 at Bebington. Joseph age 28, labourer, dad James Hill deceased Farm labourer
Hannah age 20, dad Thomas Hill deceased, also a farm labourer.
So Hannah would have been born about 1887.
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Possibility in 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW3J-M89
Cathy
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His war records are on Ancestry with adresses, names of brothers etc.
Forgot to say welcome,
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That 1911 looks good Cath.
Storeton is part of the Wirral registration district. So where has his mother got to in the 1911? Living elsewhere or remarried?
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Baptism
Joseph Hill Baptised 14 April 1909
Bebington Cheshire
Parents Joseph & Hannah
there is a Joseph Hill with widowed Grandmother Sarah in 1911
Possibly Sarah is Hannah's mother
will check back further
Suz
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I've found Hannah on the 1891 census:-
Living at Storeton Lane, Storeton, Wirral, Cheshire
With parents Thomas and Sarah. Birth year 1887, birth place Brimstage, Cheshire
Registration district Wirral
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2873
Folio 107
Page 7
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Fuller detail of 1891
Stoeton Lane Lower Bebington Cheshire
reg dist Wirral
Thomas Hill Head M 30 Farm Lab Queens Ferry Flintshire
Sarah Wife 29 Clatterbridge Cheshire
Thomas son 6 Clatterbridge
HANNAH daughter 4 Brimstage cheshire
Annie daughter 2 Moulton Cheshire
Charles son 5 months Storeton Cheshire
RG12 2873 107 7
so if Thomas Hill had a brother Joseph could possibly be the one who married Hannah???
Suz
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I've found Hannah in 1911 living here:-
Port Sunlight, Lower Bebington, Cheshire - The image says Cottage Hospital and shows Hannah (widow) as a patient working as a cleaner in soap works. Birthplace Brimstage, Cheshire
Registration district Wirral
Registration district number 451
Sub-district Bebington
Sub-district number 3
Enumeration district number 5
Series RG14
Piece number 21931
Schedule 191
Census reference RG14PN21931 RG78PN1306 RD451 SD3 ED5 SN191
RG 78 piece number 1306
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Possibility for Joseph (married Hannah)with brother Thomas which would make Joseph & Hannah cousins
1881
Shotton Lane End
reg district Chester
James Hill Head M 32 ag lab Chester
Mary wife 30 Northrop Flints
THOMAS son 9
Peter son 7
James son 5
JOSEPH son 3
William son 1
children all b Harwarden
RG11 3565 61 57
possible baptism for Joseph?
Joseph Hill
baptism 25 Nov 1877
Sealand Flints
parents James & Mary Hill
father's occ Farm Salesman
Suz
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From his Army records.
He joined Royal Irish Rifles in 1897 at Belfast. Occupation seaman . Aged 20, born Chester. discharged 1909.
He had brothers William, James and Peter, address Oldbank Cottages, Queensferry, Flintshire.
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1910 death. Wirral,
Joseph Hill aged 32.
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There seems to be a little inconsistency with ages. On his marriage certificate he states he is 28 which would give a birth year of 1878/79 and his occupation is labourer. His father is James. His military record is saying he was born in 1877 in Chester and his occupation was Seaman.
There is this birth record for 1877 in Chester.
HILL, JOSEPH DAVISON
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in CHESTER Volume 08A Page 448
This would tie up with the baptism that Suzard found in Reply#12
His wife's details on his military records match up with the marriage certificate.
Perhaps for some unknown reason he wished to appear younger on his marriage cert. ::)
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There seems to be a little inconsistency with ages. On his marriage certificate he states he is 28 which would give a birth year of 1878/79 and his occupation is labourer. His father is James. His military record is saying he was born in 1877 in Chester and his occupation was Seaman.
There is this birth record for 1877 in Chester.
HILL, JOSEPH DAVISON
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in CHESTER Volume 08A Page 448
This would tie up with the baptism that Suzard found in Reply#12
His wife's details on his military records match up with the marriage certificate.
Perhaps for some unknown reason he wished to appear younger on his marriage cert. ::)
Brothers William, James and Peter.
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Yes, I saw the list of brothers on his military record and Suzard has them on the 1881 census.
Parent's marriage, although it is probably not needed
Marriages Dec 1870
DAVISON Mary Chester 8a 599
HILL James Chester 8a 599
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A huge thanks to everyone for your help.
I now know the parents of Joseph senior were James Hill and Mary (Maria) Davison/Davidson and the parents of Hannah were Thomas Hill and Sarah Burkey and that James and Thomas were brothers!
Such large families!