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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Tink22 on Friday 12 March 21 13:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi looking for info on how to figure out who my great grandfathers dad might have been, dont know if its possible as birth certificate says illegitimate
Fred paton ogg born 1899 to jeannie ogg, her birth and death record has her as Jane
Is it possible paton could be fathers surname
Jeannie was born 1879 in udny and died 1906 as Jane singer, she married james singer in 1904
Only info family has is that the dad was rumoured to be a gardener, possibly at fyvie Castle but that info could be wrong
No idea where to start looking or even if possible to find info
Thanks
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Does the name Frederick (for Fred?) feature in Jeannie's family?
Monica
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Does the name Frederick (for Fred?) feature in Jeannie's family?
Monica
Not that I've found so far, 1911 census has him as Frederick, everywhere else its fred
Jeannie's parents were John ogg and Annie Cowie, grandparents William Cowie and ann rae
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Do you have Fred's marriage certificate in case he gave a father's name?
Yes, Paton or even Fred Paton could be a clue as to the name of the father.
I've had a very quick look on the 1901 and 1891 censuses for a Fred Paton - possible father. There look to be one or two (eg a 33 year old in Aberdeenshire in the 1891 caught my eye) but no way of knowing if any of their paths ever crossed with Jeannie's. :-\ Assuming a first name of Fred was just a stab in the dark anyway. :)
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Just throwing this into the mix ...
In 1891 in Dundee is a Paton family including a 12 year old son Frederick W.
Father George is a "seedsman". I was wondering if this might tally with the family story about the mystery father being a gardener, if son was later employed in a similar occupation to his father. :-\
Added: In 1901 that Fred is a "seedsman" aged 22 but living in Fife. Considering the distance between there and Aberdeen and Fyvie Castle it seems unlikely he would've had any contact with Jeannie. :)
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Marriage certificate states only jeannie, cant tie in any paton in Aberdeenshire with being a gardener if that story is true
Jeannie was a seamstress/dressmaker so no idea where she possibly worked
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I was just going to ask you what Jeannie's occupation was - I found a Jeannie Ogg in Fife in 1901 but this one is a schoolteacher.
I think I am on the wrong track so will give up on that theory.
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She looks to have been in hospital, Royal Infirmary Aberdeen, for 1901. Her occuption is given as domestic servant on this entry.
Monica
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She looks to have been in hospital, Royal Infirmary Aberdeen, for 1901. Her occuption is given as domestic servant on this entry.
Monica
I saw that one too Monica, and wondered if she was the right Jeannie.
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My mum has said she worked there, not sure how long for, no idea where she worked before Fred's birth
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Jeannie is showing as 'patient' but likely in error from what you say. The original image would let you confirm. I am taking this info from a commercial transcript....where it is not unknown for there to be mis transcriptions ::)
Monica
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Jeannie is showing as 'patient' but likely in error from what you say. The original image would let you confirm. I am taking this info from a commercial transcript....where it is not unknown for there to be mis transcriptions ::)
Monica
The transcript shows Jeannie Ogg listed as a patient in amongst about 100 other patients. Generally the staff are listed at the beginning - Jeannie is slap bang in the middle. But yes, if this is your Jeannie, it might be worth checking the original.
Tink, have you considered taking a DNA test? If this is your mother's family, it would be even better if she could take a test. :)
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I've done ancestry dna and uploaded to other dna sites, my great uncle has also tested, fred was his father so I've been looking at shared matches
There are 4 or 5 with the surname paton but they all seem to have been born in Ayrshire, can see no link to Aberdeenshire
I messaged them for info but either no response or they didn't know, so came to a dead end via dna
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It is good that your great uncle has taken a DNA test.
If you have matches with Patons in Ayrshire that is interesting and promising. Your Fred’s father could have come from anywhere couldn’t he?
Are they close matches?
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It is good that your great uncle has taken a DNA test.
If you have matches with Patons in Ayrshire that is interesting and promising. Your Fred’s father could have come from anywhere couldn’t he?
Are they close matches?
Highest seems to be 39cM so not sure really
Going from the public member trees, George gallacher paton seems interesting, lists him as a gardener, 10 years older than jeannie and married, cant place him in Aberdeenshire at all
1891 census puts him in west linton, peebleshire, address says gardeners bothy, garvald, occupation gardener
He had children born in 1898 and 1899 in Edinburgh so seems unlikely he was in Aberdeenshire
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I have a photo of jeannie, photographer is stevenson and co, 109 bothwell street, Glasgow
Would the photographer have travelled to Aberdeenshire, dont know anything about photographers in that era
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Some details here on the photographer www.thelows.madasafish.com/cards/stevenson.htm
No reference to another studio by that photographer other than the Glasgow one. Not to say that they couldn't travel about.
Added: Big write up on the business here https://archive.org/stream/glasgowitsenviro00unse/glasgowitsenviro00unse_djvu.txt
Just use your search and find tool (look for STEVENSON & Co., Photographers).
Monica
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People moved around more than we might imagine, and we can never account for all of our ancestor’s movements. Jeannie and Fred’s father could have had the briefest of dalliances (anywhere). :)
The public member tree sounds interesting. Have you considered contacting the tree owner to ask if they would be willing to take a DNA test?
Persist with your other DNA matches, and good luck for a breakthrough. :)