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My great-grandfather, William Hughes Clark died July 3, 1931 at his home in Ste.H. Fron-Tenac, Montreal, Quebec. He was immediately to Hamilton,Ontario by the funeral company where he was buried in the family plot. Questions:
1) Where do I look for Quebec death records which seem to be only linked to churches? W.H. Clark was during his lifetime a Methodist, a Christian, a Congregationalist, a Bible Christian, & at the latter part of his life a member of the Plymouth Brethren (who tell their records are quite spotty). Is there some sort of civil registration index in Quebec at the time?
2) I found a link on ancestry.ca to a newspaper archives to an obituary in the Winnipeg Free Press, Monday, Feb.09, 1931 (see attached image). However when I leave the ancestry site the site I arrive at wants me to pay a minimum $30 for 6 months to see the obituary. Any ideas where else I might look?
Many thanks for any leads you can provide.
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The Winnipeg Tribune Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 9 Feb 1931, Mon Page 8 (no H as a middle initial)
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/73259087/obituary-for-william-h-clark/
The Winnipeg Tribune Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 7 Feb 1931, Sat Page 12
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/73264998/obituary-for-william-clark-aged-63/
Sandra
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Spouse Margaret Brown Clark.
The Winnipeg Tribune Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 29 Nov 1947, Sat Page 29
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/73264866/mrs-margaret-b-clark-29-november-1947/
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Margaret Brown Clark - 28 November 19947
Brookside Cemetery Winnipeg, Greater Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Plot D2-0880-0
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111473054/margaret-brown-clark
William Clark - 1931
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111473108/william-clark
son - William Clark - 19 October 1982 -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111473115/william-clark
James W Clark - 25 January 1961
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111473031/james-w-clark
Sandra
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1921 census 437 Elgin Ave Winnipeg
William Clark 51 Head
Margaret Clark 49 Wife
James Walsh Clark 19 Son
William Clark 18 Son
Albert Erielmont Clark 10 Son
David Adison 33 Roomer
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002889315
son - Albert Esselmont Clark - Birth Date 2 Jul 1910 Hamiota, Manitoba, Canada
Mother Margaret Brown Welsh.
Sandra
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marriage of James Welsh Clark and Mary Ewart Dewar
The Winnipeg Tribune Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 27 Apr 1925, Mon Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/73264959/marriage-of-ewart-clark/
Sandra
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Albert Esselmont Clark married Evelyn Mary Ann Violet Webb -
The Winnipeg Tribune Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 12 Aug 1939, Sat Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/73265157/albert-esselmont-clark-12-august-1939/
Sandra
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To answer your question about civil registration...
Civil registration only began in Quebec in 1994. Prior to that you would only have the parish record of a burial. These records are found in the Drouin Collection which is available through Ancestry.
I don't know what recording there would have been, or where, for a death in Quebec without a burial there. Someone else may know? Was the funeral company from Quebec? If they are still in business they might have a record but it is a long time ago.
PB
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Looks like its listed in the Manitoba Death Index-
William Clark - Age at Death 62
Birth Date 28 Apr 1868 - Death Date 6 Feb 1931
Death Place Wpg, Manitoba, Canada.
https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Sandra
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Hi,
I don't think he died in Quebec. His obituary says "of Ste 8, Frontenac apts."
DB
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Same family 1916 Marquette, Manitoba.
William Clark 47 Born Scotland. Imm 1910. Labourer.
Margaret Clark 46 Born Scotland.
James Clark 14 Born Scotland.
William Clark 13 Born Scotland.
Albert Clark 6 Born Manitoba.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1916/Pages/1916.aspx
Sandra
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1911 census Marquette Manitoiba. All Imm 1910.
Williams Elark 43 Odd Jobs.
Margret B Elark 40
James W Elark 9
William Elark 7
Albert F Elark 8 months.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/1911.aspx
Sandra
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Canadian Passenger List - Wm Clark born 1870 and aged 40 years. Departed Glasgow Scotland to Quebec Canada. Arriving 10 May 1910 on the Grampian. Mrs Clark 38 years. Unclear 8 years. Wm Clark 6 years. Going to Manitoba.
Sandra
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There seems to be some confusion regarding dates?
Amberella gave a death date for William of 3 July 1931 with burial in Hamilton Ontario. The obit they asked for was for 9 Feb 1931 which seems clearly 6 months prior to the original quoted death date? And also a different burial location?
Just wondering.
PB
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The reading of the fist obit doesn't match - saying he arrived from Dumfries Scotland in 1917 - yet this family were in Canada in 1910, showing 1911 census.
Yet all the names mentioned in both obits are buried Brookside Cemetery which is Winnipeg.
No mention of "H" - Hughes for a middle name.
He could be this chap..........
William Clark - Birth Date 28 Apr 1868 Kirkcowan,Wigtown,Scotland
Father William Clark - Mother Jane Johnston.
Kirkcowan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkcowan
Perhaps not the William Hughes Clark the poster is looking for. :-\
Sandra
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Poster has previous post on family bible of William Hughes Clark -
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806198.msg6649902#msg6649902
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=40485.msg6649905#msg6649905
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806199.msg6649910#msg6649910
Sandra
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Thank you SO much everyone for the links!! You're NOT going to believe it though -NONE of those are "my" William (Hughes) Clark!! I'm just shaking my head in disbelief!! All I want to know is William Hughe's cause of death!! After coming over from England, he only lived in Ontario in the New Delphi (Norfolk County) area & b/c the 1931 census isn't going to be released for some time, I can't check WHEN he moved from New Delphi to Montreal!! There's family history of Alzheimers & severe depression & I'm trying to trace through the ancestors for signs of how prevalent they are.
Have quite a few ancestors who committed suicide or who were committed to asylums in one case being described as "lunatic for 45 years"! THIS is even though them man was trained as a tailor & lived with his parents until THEY died which is why I suspect some form of bipolar/schizophrenia. And the ancestor who died of "senile decay"?? THAT is definitelyAlzheimer disease Victorian style!!
Thank you to Sandra for reminding me of the links I put up to the William Hughes Clark family Bible. I had forgotten I had posted them! I seem be the only one interest in this branch of the family though which is unfortunate. I'm not sure how many genealogists actually have in their grubby little hands the family Bibelot those you're researching nor the luck to have ancestors who HOARDED & passed everything down the generations!
Thank you SO much to everyone b/c you've helped eliminate some of the rabbit holes I might have gone down in my genealogical searches!! Been there, done that & absolutely NO fun!!
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Amberella - Guess what - we worked out - he wasn't yours :) :)
Sandra
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We would need further information to carry on searching. Date of birth, parents etc might help.
Although Canada does have quite strict privacy laws.
Sandra
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Perhaps this looks more like yours - William Hughes Clark born 1841 London England - father William Clark and mother Elizabeth Hughes.
Married aged 81 years to Hannah M Davis on 7 th September 1922 Delhi Norfolk Canada.
William was a widower - farmer - religion was Plymouth Brethren.
Hannah Maria Davis born NY state was also 81 years - widow - religion Plymouth Brethren -
Witness Peter A Geedy and Mrs A P Geedy.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKM5-LXJM
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94J-TQMF?i=934&cc=1784216&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQKM5-LXJM
Sandra
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Hannah Clark - born 1843 USA passed away 9 February 1925 Norfolk Ontario. Aged 82 years.
Cause of death "old age" - The son W P Davis - Detroit.
Sandra
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Is this a possible ?
1921 census Lot 30 Con 2 S T R Middleton Norfolk Ontario
William Clark born 1842 Eng. Widowed. Farmer. Imm 1862.
Sandra
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First wife mentioned in one of the bible links is Rosina Eleanor Birkett b. 1844 in England.
Possible death for her?
Rosina Eleanor Clark age 30 (so correct age)
22 July 1873
Wentworth County, Ontario
Informant William Clark of Hamilton
Amberella mentioned that William was removed to Hamilton for burial...it is in Wentworth county.
If this Rosina is William's first wife we may be on the right track now?
PB
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Yes, that info is coming up in family search pedigree landscape - although conflicting info
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MNFJ-5G2
Sandra
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Arthur Jun Birkett Clark - Birth Date 8 Jan 1873 Wentworth, Ontario, Canada
Father William Clark - Mother Rosina Eleanor Birket - Arthur John Birkett Clark
Male - Age 0
Birth Date abt 1873 Hamilton, Ontario died Jul 1873 Wentworth, Ontario, Canada
Religion Presbyterian
Cause of Death: Infantile Cholera.
Sandra
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Eleanor Rosina Clark
Record Type Baptism 14 Jan 1872 Barnsbury St David, Islington
Father William Clark - Mother Rosina Eleanor Clark.
1871 census Margate Eng.
William Clarke 28 Head
Rosina Clarke 27 Wife
William G B Clarke 3 Son
Ellinor R B Clarke 1 Daughter
Eliza J Burkitt 26 Sister-in-law
Sandra
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If Rosina has passed away, then William is remarried. Is this Rosina's sister ?
1881 Hamilton City
William Clark 38
Fanny Elizabeth Clark 40
Eliza Jane Birkett 36
William G.B. Clark 13
Eleanor R.B. Clark 11
Norman L.B. Clark 5 - Muerial M.B. Clark 3 - Algenon H.B. Clark 1
Sandra
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Not sure what this record was ?
Fanny Elizabeth Birkett - spouse William Clark.
Record Type Obligation - Notarial Date 16 Dec 1893
Notarial Place Montréal, Québec (Quebec), Canada
Notary Chauret, Amédée
Notarial Act Number 2637
Record Description Obligation Déclaration -
Participants Name Fanny Elizabeth Birkett - Charles Auguste Globensky.
Sandra
Hoping the poster returns......................
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This looks like William and Fanny in Quebec in the 1891 census. Looks like the youngest child was born in Quebec. I think her name might be Olive.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1891&op=img&id=30953_148191-00232
PB
Added: here is Olive with parents in 1911 in Hamilton
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1911&op=&img&id=e001991875