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I am trying to find reference to an actual birth record (or baptism record) to confirm details of
Elizabeth Anne RICHARDSON
Married Name: Elizabeth NAYLER
Born 4 May 1881 (date taken from 1939 register)
Death 4 May 1958 (Ladywell Cemetery – gravestone says 77 years)
I am unsure where she was born
I have posted about her before (about 10 years ago) and since then have been able to locate a marriage certificate. Still trying to confirm birth and family. A birth day (4 May 1881) can now be seen on the 1939 register.
Documents I am certain relate to her as below
1939 Register
Elizabeth A NAYLER
22a Arica Road Brockley
DoB: 4 May 1881
Widow
1911 Census
4 Arica Road Brockley
Age: 28
Birthplace: London
1901 Census
14 Chapters Chambers
Age: 20
Birthplace: Harts Southampton (?? I think ??)
Marriage 30 Dec 1900
Age: 21
Address: 14 Chapters Chambers
Father: James RICHARDSON (Engineer)
Her marriage certificate shows Elizabeth “ANNE” Richardson.
My grandfather (Elizabeth’s son) always thought her name may have been Elizabeth “HANNAH” Richardson
I am not aware of any other details such as mother’s name or siblings.
I was told years ago she never wanted to discuss her family and none were ever seen or heard from.
Any help or ideas appreciated. I am hoping I do not need to order all the birth certs for Elizabeth Richardsons....
GMC
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Could you give the reference number for the 1901 please
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Is this what you were after?
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration District: St Margaret and St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 94
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Schedule Number: 54
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This bit, Thank you. :)
Piece: 94
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
I could not find her but now see her with husband Henry Naylor in the household of Philip Brinn
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Yes Phillip Brinn married Elizabeth Nayler (Henry's sister)
So wrong side of the family to go anywhere with that.
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To save anyone else looking for the marriage witnesses were Philip & Elizabeth Brinn -
Abode was 14 Chapter Chambers for both Bride & Groom (Philip & Elizabeth Brinns home)
Occupations of Fathers of both Bride and Groom were Engineer.
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There are only two Elizabeth RICHARDSONs registered in the Jume quarter 1881 in Middlesex, she may be neither of them.
RICHARDSON, ELIZABETH ELIZA
Mother's maiden surname: SADLER
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 428
RICHARDSON, ELIZABETH HANNAH
Mother's maiden surname: BAUGHAN
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 675
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra
I was looking at that Strand one.
I gather the only way to see parents name is to order the certificate...
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I wonder if she is The Elizabeth born Middlesex but living in Southampton with father James occ Engine Driver Stationery in 1891 - needs further investigation
RG12
Piece number 927
Folio 117
Page 31
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You can look for marriages. Strand is probably William and Annie.
Marriages Jun 1881
Names on the same page:
BAUGHAN, Annie Squier
CARTER, Frederick Crossley B
COX, Eliza Louisa
RICHARDSON, William
Pancras 1b 146
Debra :)
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Strand is probably William and Annie.
However....
Elizabeth Hannah RICHARDSON
Birth Date: 28 May 1881
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1881
Baptism Place: St Clement Danes, London, Westminster, England
Father: James RICHARDSON (Printer)
Mother: Sarah Ann
Frances Ann was also baptised with Elizabeth, registered birth also has mother's maiden surname as BAUGHAN.
I cannot see a marriage. Perhaps they didn't marry or Sarah had a different surname at marriage.
Debra :)
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That looks good Debra
In 1881 'Strand reg dist' there is James occ Warehouseman but he was 37 born Southampton.
RG11/ 333 Folio 104 Page 18
Sarah 34
Louisa 19
Sarah 15
James 12
Julia 4
Francis 2
I have not checked any birth registrations for mmn
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These are the two census I mentioned previously
1881
James Richardson 37 Warehouseman bn Southampton, Hampshire
Sarah Richardson 34 bn City of London, Middlesex
Louisa 19 bn City of London, Middlesex
Sarah 15 bn City of London, Middlesex
James 12 bn City of London, Middlesex
Julia 4 bn City of London, Middlesex
Francis Dtr 2 bn City of London, Middlesex
1891
James Richardson 44 Engine Driver Stationary bn Southampton
Elizabeth Richardson 38 bn London, Middlesex (Southwark)
Christopher 13 bn London (Southwark) Born Christopher Pratt see later birth reg.
Frances 12 bn London (Lambeth)
Elizabeth 9 bn London (Westminster)
Thomas 7 bn London (Clerkenwell)
Nellie 2 bn Shirley, Hampshire
Arthur 1 bn Shirley, Hampshire
RICHARDSON, ARTHUR JOSEPH mmn CARTER
GRO Reference: 1890 June Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 72
RICHARDSON, NELLIE ANNIE mmn CARTER
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 86
Could this be Julias birth
RICHARDSON, JULIA MINNIE mmn VAUGHAN
GRO Reference: 1877 March Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 677
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1871
RG10 / 363 Folio 46 Page 13
James Richardson occ Printers Labourer age 27 bn Southampton
Sarah 27 bn Clerkenwell
Louisa 8 bn Gravesend
Sarah A 6 bn St Martins in the Fields
James 2 bn St Clements
1871 gives pob for Louisa as Kent
BAUGHAN, LOUISA ELIZA -
GRO Reference: 1861 Sept Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 294
RICHARDSON, JAMES mmn BAUGHAN
GRO Reference: 1869 June Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 544
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1901 Has the family in the workhouse at Stoneham, father James has died
RG13/1067 f34 p8
Elizabeth 49
Ellen 13
Arthur 11
Emma 9
Charles 7
Could this be the 2nd marriage of James (the Elizabeth that is on census 1891)
Marriage Dec qtr 1889
Pratt Elizabeth
Richardson James
Southampton 2c 37
RICHARDSON, CHARLES EDWARD mmn PRATT
GRO Reference: 1894 Dec Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 83
Some children from Elizabeths first marriage
PRATT, WILLIAM ARTHUR mmn CARTER
GRO Reference: 1872 Mar Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 54
PRATT, ELIZABETH MARTHA mmn CARTER
GRO Reference: 1873 Mar Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 55
PRATT, CHRISTOPHER ARTHUR WALTER mmn CARTER
GRO Reference: 1876 March Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 149
Died Dec qtr 1876
PRATT, CHRISTOPHER JAMES SEFTON mmn CARTER
GRO Reference: 1878 Sept Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 121
Her first marriage
June qtr 1871
CARTER Elizabeth Ann
PRATT Christopher William
St. Saviour 1d 144
Bride & Groom give their address as America Street - Marriage image is on Ancestry
Death Jun qtr 1880
PRATT Christopher William age 28
Pancras 1b 35
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You can look for marriages. Strand is probably William and Annie.
Marriages Jun 1881
Names on the same page:
BAUGHAN, Annie Squier
CARTER, Frederick Crossley B
COX, Eliza Louisa
RICHARDSON, William
Pancras 1b 146
Debra :)
Annie Baughan married Frederick Crossley Carter.
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1881 for Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-4GLC
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death reg for William Arthur Pratt in same quarter as his birth march qtr 1872 St Saviour vol 1d pg 36
& Elizabeth Martha Pratt 4 march qtr 1877 St Saviour vol 1d pg 87.
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1851
HO107/1512 Folio 471 Page 17
1 Lees Building, The Strand
Henry Baugham -Widower - 31 occ Wheelwright bn Bicester, Oxon
Louisa Baugham - dtr -9 bn Bicester
Sarah Ann Baugham-dtr -7- bn St Andrews, Holborn
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Births Sep qtr 1840
Baughan Louisa
Bicester 16 30
GRO has it as
BUNGHAM, LOUISA mmn STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in BICESTER UNION Volume 16 Page 30
Births Jun qtr 1843
Baughan Sarah Ann - MMN STEVENS
Holborn 2 118
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1841
HO107 Piece 670 Book 8 f44 p9
Cockpit Yard, St Andrew, Holborn
James Baughan 25 occ Wheelwright
Susanna 25 bn in county
James 4 bn in county
Henry 20 Wheelwrights apprentice
Louisa ? mths
Sally 20
Not born in county except Susanna and James jnr
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Henry married Sally Lynes Stephens 3 Apr 1838 at Bicester, his father was William, Sallys was Thomas - image on Ancestry