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Please can someone tell me there is no will on PRONI, does that mean there is not one anywhere?
Can I look anywhere else for one for my Robert MARTIN of Ballydugan?
Michelle
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If there is no will on PRONI, you might still be able to find a probate record if he died in the years of 1858-1920.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
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Thank you Patrick, he wasn't there either, but thank you anyway.
Michelle
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Can I look anywhere else for one for my Robert MARTIN of Ballydugan?
When did your Robert Martin die?
If you can give us a date, then we can maybe help further.
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You didn't give any indication of dates in your other Martin topic- is this the same Robert Martin you asked about earlier? since you didn't respond to questions asked we weren't really able to help further.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=844780.msg7116045#msg7116045
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Robert MARTIN died 1871 in Ballydugan, his wife Martha died in 1876 also in Ballydugan. They were living in Ivy Cottages, Ballydugan.
There is a headstone in St Margaret's Downpatrick, which may be this family, but it has no names. Just MARTIN family of Tobermoney.
I also have found reference to a Mary Eleanor Grace MARTIN, likely the great granddaughter of Robert.
Mary was awarded an MBE in 1946.
Michelle
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Robert Martin died 1871 age 78- informant Thomas S. Martin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1871/020768/7285615.pdf
Martha Martin died 1876 age 76- informant William Martin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020570/7218051.pdf
More on family here- http://rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/M/MartinKR.htm (and other Martin pages there including-
William Martin of Ivy Cottage Ballyduggan; a farmer, executor in the will of Mrs. Ellen Moore of Ballydonnity in 1884 & Mrs. Sarah Montgomery of Ballydonity in 1887
http://rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/M/MartinSZ.htm
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Wow, thank you.
That's them.
Michelle
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The Will of Ellen Moore late of Ballydonity County Down Widow who died 26 March 1884 at same place was proved at Belfast by John N. Doran of Glyde Farm County Louth Farmer and William Martin of Ivy Cottage Ballyduggan County Down Farmer the Executors. Effects £617 10s. Will dated 20 June 1883 says ‘widow of late James Moore’ and mentions granddaughters (Ellen Moore Montgomery & Dorothea Olivia Montgomery) and appoints ‘William Martin of Old Town Co. Down farmer’ as one of the executors.
Ellen Bell Moore, widow, died Hollymount age 73.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06339/4818108.pdf
The Will (with one Codicil) of Sarah Montgomery late of Ballydonity County Down Widow who died 21 August 1887 at same place was proved at Belfast by John Nesbitt Doran of Clyde Farm Ardee County Louth Farmer David George M'Cammon of Hollymount and William Martin of Ballydougan both in County Down Farmers the Executors. Effects £642 9s. 2d. Will dated 4 May 1886 mentions daughters Eleanor Leslie Moore Montgomery & Dorothea Olivia Montgomery, son Leslie Alexander Montgomery.
Sarah Eleanor Montgomery, widow, died Hollymount age 48.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06207/4775914.pdf
Birth certificate of son Leslie Alexander Montgomery gives parents as Henry Montgomery & Sarah Moore.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03177/2165121.pdf
Looks like their marriage in Dublin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11384/8179872.pdf
husband of Sarah Moore; father of author Leslie b. 5 Oct 1873 & Eleanor Leslie & Dorothea Olivea b. 12 Apr 1878 grocery, wine & spirit business in Irish St, Downpatrick 22 Oct 1853; leased house, store & yard in Irish Street with William Agar from David S. Ker in 1863; a member of Downpatrick Cricket Club in 1873/74; died 12 Feb 1882 aged 57/54 after a serious illness ; buried Moore grave in Downpatrick Cathedral graveyard
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/genealogy/SURNAMES/M/Montgomery.htm
Henry's death in Belfast Workhouse (more likely in the Infirmary attached to the Workhouse)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06416/4842803.pdf
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Using mainly Family Search & Ros Davies-
Robert Martin (c1793-1871) m.(c1820) Martha Madill (c1800-1876)
Ros Davies- married Martha M'dill c. 1820; father of Ellen who married William Carlisle 19 Jan 1859 at Infimary Street Presbyterian Church, Downpatrick & Joseph & William who all left for New Zealand
1. Ellen Martin m.(1859) William Carlisle (c1829-1881 N.Z.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09568/5469411.pdf
Family to N.Z. 1876
a. William John Carlisle (c1859-1949 N.Z.)
b. Sarah Elizabeth Carlisle (c1861 Clough?-1885 N.Z.)
c. daughter (1864)
d. Mary Cromie Carlisle (1866-1938 N.Z.)
e. Robert Martin Cronin Carlisle (1868-1946 N.Z.)
f. Thomas Quaile Madill Carlisle (1870-1876 Liverpool, Eng.)
g. Joseph Samuel James Carlisle (c1871-1948 N.Z.)
h. Francis Alexander Shaw Carlisle (1874-1953 N.Z.)
i. Emily Anne Carlisle (1878 N.Z.)
j. Matilda Stanfield Carlisle (1879 N.Z.-1880)
k. David Brownlow Forde Carlisle (1881 N.Z.-1962)
2. ? Thomas S. Martin (alive 1871)
3. ? William Martin (alive 1876), N.Z.?
4. ? Joseph Martin, N.Z.
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Thank you so much, aghadowey.
Michelle