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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Clare => Topic started by: hevside on Wednesday 03 March 21 13:47 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Can anyone explain why I am unable to find the registration of a RC marriage that took place in 1878. I have found the entry in the Parish records of Liscannor so I know that Michael Killuhry (one of many, many spellings!) of Ballyfardeen married Bridget Neylon on 12 Feb 1878. I would love the see the bmd registration to see a father's name for Michael but cannot find it anywhere.
I searched for some other names on the page and did find a batch of 4 in Ennistymon district but that was it!
Can anyone help or explain why this wouldn't be available?
Many thanks for any help
Heather
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My 3X great grandparents married in a Catholic church, but never bothered to register their marriage in the civil records. The reason was that she was already a few months pregnant. They did manage to register their son's birth in the civil records a few months later.
If you are looking for a name of Michael's father, I think the answer is John.
In the 1855 Griffith's valuation there are two people with the surname Gilowrie(sic): Patrick and John. That is in the townland of Ballyfaudeen.
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/corcomroe/killaspuglonane/killaspugonane/ballyfaudeen/
In 1879, Michael and Bridget have a son named John.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02914/2067861.pdf
In 1878, I believe they had a daughter named Ellen, but they spelled Bridget's maiden name as Scanlon instead of Neylon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02938/2076513.pdf
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My 3X great grandparents married in a Catholic church, but never bothered to register their marriage in the civil records. The reason was that she was already a few months pregnant. They did manage to register their son's birth in the civil records a few months later.
It would have been the priest that sent in the marriage record not the bride and groom.
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Birth of twins Tom and Bridget in 1882 at Ballyfaudeen.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02756/2012435.pdf
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Thank you all for your help. So it looks like a careless priest at that time! I have search under many spelling and every marriage on that date but no luck.
If I can explain my brick wall ... the family I started researching were that of John Killoughery born 1851-1856, don't know where. The only address for him is Ballyea although he doesn't appear to have been baptised there. He married Mary Blake in 1882 and went on to have 13 children of which I have identified 12. His marriage cert states his father to be Michael, a farmer, still alive in 1882.
As I was having no luck finding the father Michael I am trying a sideways approach.. ie John is likely to have a brother Michael but I've now found 3 possible brother Michaels :) :
Michael born 1861 married Mary O'Laughlin approx 1890 - CANNOT FIND MARRIAGE
on both census his father Michael is living with them. also CANNOT FIND HS BIRTH.
Michael born in the range 1841 - 1851 who married Bridget Neylon on 12 Feb 1878 according to parish record. They lived Ballyfauden and had 7 children I can find (although he says 6 in 1911 census.. one pair of twins in 1882 so maybe one died at birth??) CANNOT FIND HIS BIRTH so no idea of father... as patrick_a says maybe John (or Patrick?). Witness at his marriage was Dan Killoughery again.
Michael born 1842-1844 marries Anne Grice? c 1872 (found a marriage 1873 with a Dan Killoughery as witness??) They had 7 children with 2 dying. Have only found one of them so far. Lived at Moymore North, Kilaspuglonane.
another Michael marries Bridget Scanlon in 1870 and I have found 3 children of theirs, Norry 1888, John 1881 and Ellen 1878.. (patrick_a - so I think this is a different Michael)
So all this just to find out who John's parents are!!! If anyone has any inspiration, please guide me. I have no Irish connection (John's g-grandaughter lives here in sunny St Annes, Lancs) so the geography and the pronunciation of the names is alien to me!!
Many thanks
Heather
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Have you seen this Michael died 1907 age 70
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05536/4551971.pdf
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The witness to John's marriage in 1882 is Bridget Killourghy. She might be his mother, or sister, or some other relative.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10970/8009967.pdf
Martin died in 1904 and was probably an uncle. He died in the workhouse and it states he was from Ballyea. That is the same townland where John resided.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05608/4576914.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/islands/killone/killone/ballyea/
In 1843, there is a Martin Killoury in Boolyduff. He could be the one who died in 1904 or perhaps his father.
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/inchiquin/inagh/cloonanaha/boolyduff/
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Thank you all, I have looked into every suggestion but still nothing defiinite to go on. I think I will give this family a rest for a little while after a non-stop week of searching. There are many more branches of the tree and other DNA matches to look into. Many thanks to everyone.
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Hi Heather
I live in Surrey UK and John Killoughery and Mary Blake were my Great Grandparents. There are still Killoughery family members in Ballyea and there are quite a few of us in and around London. Just wanted to say good luck with your search.
I think I may have spoken to some of your family members back in the 1990s when Michael Killory from Florida came over on a family history research trip (?)..........
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Welcome to RootsChat, Richard :)
Not mentioned before-
Killoughery family in 1911 census.
House 7 in Ballyea (Killone, Clare).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Killone/Ballyea/354452/
Probable death of John Killoughery (a widower) in 1941
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04708/4257206.pdf
KG
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Hi
Thanks.
5 year old Joseph was my grandfather. I knew him well. He fathered 17 children and although 2 died in childhood I knew all the others. I have known that first document for many years but have never seen the death record for my great grandfather before. Thank you for that.
Enjoy the day.
Regards
Richard
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Michael born 1842-1844 marries Anne Grice? c 1872 (found a marriage 1873 with a Dan Killoughery as witness??) They had 7 children with 2 dying. Have only found one of them so far. Lived at Moymore North, Kilaspuglonane.
Links:
Here they are in 1901 census.
House 17 in Moymore North (Killaspuglonane, Clare).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Killaspuglonane/Moymore_North/1074973/
….and in 1911 census (as Killourhy).
House 10 in Moymore North (Killaspuglonane, Clare).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Killaspuglonane/Moymore_North/358642/
Moymore North townland
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/corcomroe/killaspuglonane/killaspugonane/moymore-north/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4612584#map=13/52.9980/-9.3267
Marriage in 1873 of Michael KILLORRY to Nancy (later Anne) GREENE
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11265/8208262.pdf
Birth of Bridget in 1874 (as Killorry) at Moymore. MMN Greene #320
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03156/2157843.pdf
KG
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Marriage of Michael FLAHERTY to Bridget KILLOUGHEY on 16th March 1903.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10228/5722803a.pdf
Michael living at Kilmoon townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/burren/kilmoon/cloghaun/kilmoon-west/
Kilmoon East to the east.
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Marriage of Michael HARTIGAN to Ellen KILLOURHEY on 17th April 1915 in Moymore RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09814/5563497.pdf
Michael, a farmer from Ballyfaudeen.
Birth of Michael Hartigan on 4th August 1917 at Ballyfaudeen.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01301/1538350.pdf
KG
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Thanks all again for your help. I have now narrowed it down so that IF my John Killoughery (whose birth or baptism I still cannot find!) had a brother named Michael then he can only be the one born 3 Sep 1859 with his baptism in Liscannor (Carrowduff). Another baby of same parents Andrew was baptised Oct 1868... cannot find his birth registration either!). Michael married Mary O'Loughlin in about 1889/90 (no record to be found)
Their parents are Michael Killoughery (c1825) and Honora Foley (c1829) who we would have expected to have married pre 1859 (again not to be found, assume living, marrying and having earlier children elsewhere?). Honora died in 1891, aged 62 and in both census dad Michael is living with son Michael. Again cannot find his death after 1911 either, other than a possible workhouse death 1913.
Richard, sorry I didn't respond earlier... so you are the 2nd cousin to Rita, who is a friend of mine that I am helping with her tree. Rita is here in Lancs but is in touch with her Irish family. If you would like to contact her let me know.
So many elusive records.
Apologies of I haven't responded to anyone but I assure you I read and investigate them all :)
Thanks
Heather
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Hi Heather
I'm intrigued. Can you explain the connection?
Regards
Richard
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Hi Richard
You said that John Killoughery and Mary Blake were your g-grandparents and young Joseph was your grandfather. Hope I got this right. (Did Joseph marry Catherine Power??)
One of the sisters of Joseph, Bridget Killoughery born 1887, married John Walsh in 1914. This couple are Rita's grandparents.
I mentioned your connection to Rita the other day and she said she can remember visiting a lady called Pat??? in England. Do you know who that might might be?
Heather
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Wow!
I knew Bridget's son. He was Brother Johnny Walsh, a missionary priest who spent most of his life in India (Calcutta I think). I first came across him when he gave an oration at my grandmother's funeral (Catherine Power as you said). Moved by his speech I subsequently arranged to meet him in London and took his full life story down on paper.
Amazing to make that connection after all this time.
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Richard, I have a copy of the eulogy that was written for Johnny's funeral as he passed away in 2020. If you would like to send me an email to Removed I will send you a copy and more tree info and can put you in touch with Rita.
Heather
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