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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: member1799 on Saturday 27 February 21 10:06 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I've been tracing my Dawson heritage in Glasgow and getting back as far as my x3 Grandfather Patrick Dawson it states on various census records that he was originally from Ireland. However what's puzzling me is that on the 1841 census (which I am quite sure is him although other census state his birth as 1830), everyone in the household has the family name Fulton, and only he is listed as Dawson. - I'm interested if there is a common explanation for this different family name e.g. adoption? illegitimacy? And how I might find out more about this.
Secondly, has anyone any tips for tracing back to Ireland if indeed this is where he's born?
Thanks
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Difficult to tell with 1841 but he could have had no family connection to Fulton at all, merely be lodging with them at the time of the census.
Have you a marriage for him?
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The 1841 census was rounded down to the nearest 5 (Though not all enumerators followed the rule).
Therefore he could have been 4 years older.
Colin
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First of all, the original census never gives a year of birth. It tells you what age the person claimed to be on the day of the census, except in 1841 when it was supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years. And because the census was normally taken about a quarter of the way through the year, 'calculating' a year of birth by subtracting the age from the census years gives a wrong answer three-quarters of the time.
In 1841 the census was taken on 7 June. So if that 1841 census is accurate, Patrick Dawson was born between 8 June 1821 and 7 June 1826. There is quite a gap between 10 or 11 and 15 years.
Second, if you look at the rest of the household, there are three children born in Lanarkshire, one of whom was the same age as Patrick. So it looks as if this family might already have been in Scotland before your Patrick was born.
Is your Patrick the shoemaker who was married to Ann? (Note that the one in 1841 was a labourer.)
In 1851 he gave his age as 28
In 1861 he gave his age as 31
In 1871 he gave his age as 42
In 1881 he gave his age as 50
So he was pretty inconsistent, and he could have been born any time between 1822 and 1831. Even if you could get a list of all Patrick Dawsons born in Ireland in a ten-year period, there is no way of knowing which one yours might be.
It looks as if he died in Glasgow Plantation in 1886, aged 54. Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in a few credits and use some of them to download the death certificate. It should tell you his wife's maiden surname, and the full names of both his parents including his mother's maiden surname. You can then use that information to find Ann's death certificate and the names of her parents.
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I wondered about that but I couldn't find any baptisms to confirm or refute it.
There is no death of a J*an* Fulton, other name Dawson, birth 1803 plus or minus 5 years in the SP index.
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Wonder also if family were RC? There is a potential RC marriage for a Patrick to an Ann (can't confirm as we don't know Ann's maiden name). Also some possible baptisms in Glasgow to those parents.
As we know, sometimes godparents/witnesses can be family members that might add more info.
Monica
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Are his parents named on his death record?
Who did he marry?
What were the names of his children in birth order?
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Is your Patrick the shoemaker who was married to Ann? (Note that the one in 1841 was a labourer.)
Thanks for the informative reply. Yes I believe the shoemaker Patrick is my ancestor through his son James and grandson James who were also shoemakers.
I found an 1848 marriage between a Patrick Dawson and Ann Monaghan in Glasgow on that website you recommended, but I will take your suggestion and start buying credits to confirm vital records
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Ann shows as living with her son James in 1891. I wonder if this is her death?
Ann DAWSON/MONAGHAN
Age 56
1891
646/2 431
Govan
Are you descended from son James or daughter Margaret?
Monica
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Ann shows as living with her son James in 1891. I wonder if this is her death?
Ann DAWSON/MONAGHAN
Age 56
1891
646/2 431
Govan
Are you descended from son James or daughter Margaret?
Monica
I'm quite sure I'm descended from Patricks son James:
James Dawson (1855) > James Dawson (1883) > William Robertson Notman Dawson (1915, my grandfather) - this is how I have it so far
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Your next steps will be to have a look at parents Patrick and Ann's death regs to see what names are given for their parents. Sometimes parents/other siblings come over to Scotland from Ireland so worth bearing that in mind and doing some searches just in case you miss that.
Monica