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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: 10KEN on Monday 22 February 21 11:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
In the 1750s , would a woman be married in her Parish,and did the man travel
there ,what if there was no Church ,this is in rural north Cumberland.
Thanks 10KEN.
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I don't think there was any regulation about a woman having to be married in her parish and the bridegroom traveled.
However, that early there were only certain churches allowed to conduct marriage ceremonies (they could all undertake christenings and burials) so lots of couples did travel to a church outside their small parish.
Pheno
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It was more common for the bride to be marries in her own church. But no rules. Some parish registers recorded the abode of the bride and groom; many did not.
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Do a search for Hardwicke's Marriage Act (1753/4) to see what situation regarding marriages was in 1750s. The Act was an attempt to prevent clandestine marriages.
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Thanks Phend, GrahamSimons and MaidenStone for u/r info.
10KEN.
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I am not aware that there were any parishes without a church in the 1750s, although Kirkandrews on Eden may be an exception. The convention is that the bride gets married in her home church but if the marriage was by banns, then the banns would be read out in the parish church of the bride and the parish church of the groom. Can you say which parish you are concerned with?
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Hi clearly,
I was researching my G-motherx5 with not much success.
10KEN.
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Please can you give us what you know about her? Place names?
Names, name of husband, children's birthplaces and dates (or baptisms), deaths?
Many places in Cumberland didn't have a church, but they would be part of a parish which did have a church; that meant long walks for church services. At that time the parish was a chuch concept, and the creation of civil parishes was a later event.
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In Scotland folk were often married in the manse, marriage was not a sacrament anyhow in the Church of Scotland, (still isn't,) so church weddings were not a big deal back in the day. What was important was getting the banns called in both? parishes and that there were no objections to the marriage.
Skoosh.
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Many places in Cumberland didn't have a church, but they would be part of a parish which did have a church; that meant long walks for church services. At that time the parish was a chuch concept, and the creation of civil parishes was a later event.
Hence Chapels of Ease!
A chapel of ease (or chapel-of-ease) is a church building other than the parish church, built within the bounds of a parish for the attendance of those who cannot reach the parish church conveniently.
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In Scotland folk were often married in the manse, marriage was not a sacrament anyhow in the Church of Scotland, (still isn't,) so church weddings were not a big deal back in the day. What was important was getting the banns called in both? parishes and that there were no objections to the marriage.
Skoosh.
In Scotland three forms of irregular marriage were recognized as legally valid:- Marriage constituted per verba de praesenti which required an interchange of consent to be man and wife, privately or informally given,” marriage per verba de futuro subsequente copula, this was constituted by a promise of future marriage without any interchange of consent to be husband and wife, followed by carnal intercourse these two forms lasted until 1939, the third was marriage by cohabitation with habit and repute which remained legally valid until 2006.
In Scotland a regular marriage did not have to take place in a church building, it did not require parental consent, although it did require the proclamation of banns in the parish church and had to be presided over by an authorized celebrant from the established Church.
Cheers
Guy
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Are we not getting off the track a little? 10Ken's question was about a marriage in North Cumberland, not about marriage in another country which, admittedly, does border North Cumberland. The ball is back in 10Ken's court if he wants to give names and locations.
Incidentally there was no parish without a church in North Cumbria in 1750 except for Kirkandrews on Eden and there services were held in the nearby Beaumont parish, about a mile away.
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Hi,
Nancy Tweddle
BoB n/k
location n/k
M- Wiiliam Kennedy
Hope you have more success.
10KEN
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I have only found two Tweddle marriages in the period, neither of them for Nancy, using FreeReg; both were in Alston. No Tweddle baptisms in Alston to match, unfortunately.
The Kennedy surname is Scots - is there a chance they nipped across the border to marry? Might be worth a search on Scotland's People.
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Jeezo, a mixed marriage? oor frien "clearly" will have a fit!
"The Young Lochinvar has come out of the West!"
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Crivens Skoosh, I didnae realise I was the product of a "mixed" marriage until you pointed it out. Please don't look for bias or prejudice where none exists or is intended.
Joking aside, I can tell 10ken that Tweddle is a name most commonly associated with the parish of Stapleton in North Cumberland. I have gone through the Stapleton marriages from 1740 to 1760 and cannot find a Nancy or Ann Tweddle/Tweedale/Tweedal. The only entry I have come across that is remotely close is:
4 May 1751. David Little and Mary Tweddle, married.
There were quite a lot of Kennedy's in Bewcastle Parish, neighbouring Stapleton, so that may be worthwhile looking at.
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Lockdown fever to blame clearly ;D
Bests,
Skoosh.