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I have a marriage that took place in the Emmanuel Church Peckham in 1874. It doesn't give me an address for either of the participants. It just says Emmanual. Is this unusual? It makes the research come to a halt .
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It is not unusual for just the parish to be given as an address. Maybe we can help with your halt in research
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Its not unusual for marriages of that era to use the parish as the address.
Street addresses start appearing regularly maybe 30years after your dates.
If you provide all details, then someone on here might turn something up.
ALL names, occupations, parents and witnesses.
Pauline
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I don't see how only having the parish name as their addresses on a marriage certificate necessarily brings your research to a halt.
If you can locate them in the 1871 census, this will give their addresses three years prior to their marriage. Of course this may or may not be the same as when they married.
For example, if your bride was living with her family in the 1871 census, then in 1881 her family were still at the same address, it is probably fair to assume that is where she was living in 1874 when she married, even if she claimed to be living in another parish. :)
Sometimes the bride and groom gave the same address at marriage (whether of not they were living together) to avoid paying banns in two parishes.
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Many thanks for bothering to answer me. I will continue to try and get this sorted.
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If you would like to give us the details maybe we can help :)
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I think this may link to a query along the same lines that Whimsical asked in 2012.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=585858.msg4371036#msg4371036
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I think this may link to a query along the same lines that Whimsical asked in 2012.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=585858.msg4371036#msg4371036
From the links it must be the Golding/Ricketts marriage whimsical is referring to
23 May 1874 Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark
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Both bride and groom have middle names,should make tracing them so much easier.
Frederick William Arnold Golding Age: 23. Compositor.
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1851
Marriage Date: 23 May 1874
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: George Arnold Golding
Spouse: Elizabeth Jane Ricketts age 19 father- William Ricketts
Both father's are Jewellers.
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1881 for the couple
Frederick 31 born Kensington
Elizabeth 26 born Strand
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-H85L
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possible birth reg
Elizabeth Jane Ricketts march qtr 1855 Strand vol 1b pg 425 mmn Baldwin
baptism 4 March 1855 at St Paul's Covent Garden for Elizabeth Jane Ricketts daughter of William & Ann, dob noted as 21 Jan 1855
1851 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7LJ-J25
William is a porter on this census but on later census silversmith warehouseman
marriage St James Piccadilly 4 April 1852 for William Pearsy Ricketts and Mary Ann Baldwin, both fathers named William.
remarriage 27 Nov 1870 St Mary Lambeth
William Peacy Ricketts full age widower silversmith Thomas St father William Ricketts carman
Julianne Smith full age widow father William Baldwin dec labourer
witnesses George & Julianne Utting
Baptism 23 Oct 1831 William Peacy Ricketts son of William & Jane
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1871 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRFK-1TX
The Uttings, marriage witnesses, are enumerated next.
Marriage dec qtr 1862 Norwich vol 4b pg 364 George Utting and Julia Ann Smith the only names on the page.
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Whimsical as your previous posts were sometime ago you may already have a lot of info on your Golding family - I havent’t found Frederick with father George occ jeweller but have found these two census entries which may or may not relate to your Golding family so thought I’d post just in case there’s a connection
This George’s occupation is a gold beater
1841c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQV7-3S2
George Golding 20 occ j gold beater
Piece: 710 Folio: 8 Page Number: 10
1851 cPiece: 1509 Folio: 306 Page Number: 51
George Golding 32 Shoreditch, gold beater
Emma Golding 27 Mitcham Surrey
George Golding 4 Mo St Giles in the Fields
Please let us know if you require any further assistance :)
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On a later census entry, Frederick's place of birth is Cheltenham
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HQ-37B
So possible birth reg
Frederick Golding dec qtr 1851 Cheltenham vol 11 pg 206 mmn Burns
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GY-P4H
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I hadn't thought to look at where Elizabeth was living in 1871.Maybe that census could help me. Thankyou.
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I've given you a link to Elizabeth in 1871 in reply 11. You need a FamilySearch account to open the link, it's free, just need to register.
Do you have Frederick's family in Cheltenham?
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On a later census entry, Frederick's place of birth is Cheltenham
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HQ-37B
So possible birth reg
Frederick Golding dec qtr 1851 Cheltenham vol 11 pg 206 mmn Burns
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GY-P4H
So is father George’s name & occupation incorrect on Fredrick’s 1874 marriage cert ???
From Gloucestershire BMD here are the other birth entries from 1861c posted by Osprey
GOLDING Adelaide BORNES 1853 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 6 264
GOLDING Mary Ann BURNS 1855 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 34 19
GOLDING Christiana Ann BURNS 1858 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 38 494
Marriage entry
GOLDING WILLIAM / BURNS Mary Ann 1851 Cheltenham Register Office 5 12
This looks to be them on 1851 census Piece: 1973 Folio: 453 Page Number: 24
4 Albert Street Cheltenham
WILLIAM Golding 28 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, cabinet Turner
Mary Ann Golding 22 London, Middlesex, dressmaker
Can’t see a baptism for Frederick but 5 children baptised on same day
27 Jun 1869 Cheltenham, St Paul
parents William GOLDING, cabinet maker Mary Ann abode Greens Passage Rutland Street
John, Mary Ann, Christiana, William & Thomas
1871 Piece: 2666 Folio: 79 Page number: 17
Mary A Golding 40 Head widow
Agnes Golding 16 Daughter
Mary A Golding 14 Daughter
Christiana Golding 11 Daughter
William Golding 8 Son
Thomas Golding 6 Son
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that Frederick is the only Frederick Golding of around the right age with a birth registered at Cheltenham.
There is a birth reg for George Arnold Goldin march qtr 1853 Cheltenham vol 6a pg 364 mmn Jones and a marriage for Charles Arnold Goldin sept qtr 1844 with Mary Jones on the same page
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7P3-P3J
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGB3-1ZT
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that Frederick is the only Frederick Golding of around the right age with a birth registered at Cheltenham.
That was the only one I could find same on Gloucestershire BMD
Not that this helps he’s Frederick William Arnold Golding on his 1874 marriage, 2 children’s baptisms 1890 and 4 children’s marriages and his 1905 death
Has Frederick been found on 1871 census?
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That is a great bit of research. Thank you. I will get on it straight away. I will report back. Thank you again.
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I have never found Frederick in the 1871 census. Could he have been on the forces; in prison, or out of the country. As he was a compositor I would think that round about 1871 he may have been serving an apprenticeship away from home. But he still should be able to be found. I have regained my enthusiasm now that I have some more worthwhile stuff to follow up. Many thanks.
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Still looking for Frederick on 1871 census ???
Not sure if you have his death
Frederick William Arnold GOLDING age 51
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 469
Frederick William Arnold Golding
Burial or Cremation Date: 4 Sep 1905
Burial or Cremation Place: Southwark, London
UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
and from find a grave
Frederick Golding
Death Date: 4 Sep 1905
Cemetery: Camberwell Old Cemetery PLOT Square 66, Grave 19643
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/218302796/frederick-golding
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Hello. Yes that was my Grt.Grandfather's death. Thank you. I am pleased to see his burial information as well. Very helpful.