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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: scotdownsouth on Sunday 14 February 21 09:03 GMT (UK)
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I would like to request assistance in deciphering the name of the Parish on the attachment.
It is 1830's Devon and I am certain the first letter is S having compared it with the S in the name of Ann Studden.
I have looked at various lists of Devon Parishes and drawn a blank on each occasion.
Thank you.
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It is written Allalice. Perhaps it was meant to be Allaleigh? Where did the baptism take place?
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I do not think it is Allalice - if you compare the first letter of the parish with the way the letter A is written on both Ann and August in the document they are different. It is more like S as in the S of Studden also in the document.
The baptism took place in Falmouth but Charles Ward was originally from Exeter, Devon so I have concentrated my search around that area but no luck.
Thanks for your interest.
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I do not think it is Allalice - if you compare the first letter of the parish with the way the letter A is written on both Ann and August in the document they are different. It is more like S as in the S of Studden also in the document.
I take your point, but letters are not always written the same way in the same document.
If you think it starts with S, how would you account for the following two letters?
To my mind, the point of doubt is that Allaleigh is not a parish but a hamlet in the parish of Cornworthy, near Totnes. However, in Falmouth they might not have been aware of that detail.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Cornworthy/Gaz1868.
I'd be interested in other views.
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Perhaps you could upload the image - when I click on the link all I get is gobbledegook,
Steve from Devon
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This record comes from
England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936
Are these registers like bishops transcripts, written up by someone else later? The one immediately before Fanny was at the Zion Chapel in Kerwyn and the one after at Gwennap. In which case is it possible the first transcription has an error?
It is weird that the A of Anne is quite different.
I wondered if it was St somewhere, but I don’t see anything that fits that either.
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I've just gone back to original source and checked a few other entries on other pages and the cleric does indeed change from an A written style to a more curly @ type of letter A so point taken.
Thanks for your assistance.
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If Charles Ward was from Exeter maybe "Allalice" could be a corruption of "All Hallows"?
Formerly there were 2 parish churches of All Hallows in Exeter...All Hallows- on- the- Hill and All Hallows, Goldsmith Street.
djm297
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Perhaps you could upload the image - when I click on the link all I get is gobbledegook,
Steve from Devon
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Perhaps you could upload the image - when I click on the link all I get is gobbledegook,
Steve from Devon
If that is still no good here is the link to the original
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2972/images/40612_B0147393-00072?pId=152501646
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I have also found another source but it seems that the mystery Parish has also defeated this transcriber.
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=5774028
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Could it be St Olave? If the register was a copy, maybe the transcriber misread the original.
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It's a possibility, and it's in Exeter. Thanks for the suggestion. I will see if I can find Charles Ward in any record sets for St Olave.
"The city comprises the parishes of All Hallows Goldsmith-street, All Hallows-on-the Walls, St. Edmund, St. George, St. John, St. Kerrian, St. Lawrence, St. Martin, St. Mary-Arches, St. Mary Major, St. Mary-Steps, St. Olave, St. Pancras, St. Paul, St. Petrock, St. Stephen, and Holy Trinity, also the parochial chapelries of St. David and St. Sidwell, and the extra-parochial precincts of the Cathedral Close, Bedford, Bradninch, and Castle-yard. The parish church, St. Olave's, is a discharged rectory in the patronage of the Crown."
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Do you have the 1851 census record for Charles and family? It says born 1808/9 Exeter and there are two bps around this time, one 10.7.1808 Exeter St Edmunds (to Thomas Hartnoll Ward and Hannah); and 11.8.1811 Exeter St Edmunds (to Charles Ward and Susanna). Given the first daughter of Charles and Ann was called Hannah, perhaps the 1808 is the one.
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It's not Charles Ward I am particularly looking for, I have his census and life details and a further 3 Generations back as shown. It's just the name of that Parish that is bugging me!
CHARLES WILLIAM WARD
b. 1840 Falmouth
m. 8 Dec 1877 Falmouth
d. 1918 Falmouth
SHOEMAKER
KNOWN CHILDREN
Richard Charles 17 Jan 1878
Thomas Edward 1880
William Henry 1882
Elizabeth Jane 1886
Mary Ann 1889
Frederick 1891
Violet 25 Jul 1896
Bertie 1899
CHARLES HARTNOLL WARD
b. 1808 Exeter Devon
m. 9 Jan 1832 Falmouth
d. Jun 1874 buried 28th
SHOEMAKER
KNOWN CHILDREN
Hannah 24 Oct 1832
Fanny 12 Aug 1836
Mary Ann 1838
Charles 1840
Jane 1846
Fernande 1850
THOMAS HARTNOLL WARD
c. 31 Mar 1782 Exeter Devon
m. 25 Mar 1804 Exeter Devon
d.
KNOWN CHILDREN
Carroline 1806
Charles Hartnoll 1808
CHARLES WARD
b. c. 17 May 1747 Exeter
m. 30 May 1773 Exeter
d.
CARPENTER
KNOWN CHILDREN
Thomas 1782
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The only Charles Ward showing up in Devon in the time span seems to have been baptised at St. Edmund's, Exeter, which was down by the bridge over the Exe, but that doesn't fit with the Falmouth entry. Looking at the entry on Ancestry the words are a little clearer and I wonder if the opening letter is an "H". I still can't find an appropriate parish but maybe allowing for a broad Devon accent might help. (I did wonder about a "dropped H " giving a starting letter of "A" but a minister of a Cornish chapel would be used to that manner of speech.)
Maec
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The only Charles Ward showing up in Devon in the time span seems to have been baptised at St. Edmund's, Exeter, which was down by the bridge over the Exe, but that doesn't fit with the Falmouth entry. Looking at the entry on Ancestry the words are a little clearer and I wonder if the opening letter is an "H". I still can't find an appropriate parish but maybe allowing for a broad Devon accent might help. (I did wonder about a "dropped H " giving a starting letter of "A" but a minister of a Cornish chapel would be used to that manner of speech.)
Maec
Yes thank you, I have the 1841 Census details showing Charles and Ann Ward nee Studden living in Truro at John Street with 1 year old Charles William Ward b.1840 and also the 10 Jul 1808 baptism of Charles Hartnoll Ward at St Edmunds Exeter son of Thomas Hartnoll Ward and Hannah Pierce.