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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Colin Cruddace on Friday 12 February 21 20:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
My GF was born 14.10.1877 and GM born 28.01.1892.
Ages on marriage in 1912 modified (understandably) to 30 & 21.
In 1939 GF's birthday is correct but GM's is 14.02.1877. ???
Can anyone please explain how the 1939 data was collected.
Would there be any advantage for age?
Any help to clarify this strange puzzle would be very welcome.
Colin
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Would you be okay with listing their names and where they lived so we can look at the entry?
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The 1939 register was taken in order to issue identity cards and ration cards, so there would be no advantage in adding years onto a woman's age. It was taken in the same way as the censuses, a form was left at the house to be filled in. It was then collected, checked and identity cards issued immediately. The information on the forms was then entered into the books we see. So a mistake could have been made at that point.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/
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Would you be okay with listing their names and where they lived so we can look at the entry?
Not a problem, but Grandad's first name is -???, surname Cruddace.
Grandma, Esther (Cruddace) Clark, because of later re-marriage.
Address 17 Upper Archer Street, Darlington, England.
Thanks Groom, that's what I thought would have happened.
She was very inventive with dates. Apparently always insisted that my Dad was a new year baby, even though she registered his birth as 2nd January.
I remember my Mam baking a special birthday cake for my Gran, with silver balls showing 60.
She said Gran had to apply for a birth cert. and found that she wasn;t as old as she thought, but 1877 in the 1939 is stretching things too far. Perhaps Grandad was having a bit of fun with it. ;D
Colin
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I see a marriage for Benjamin Cruddace to Esther Cooper in 1913. Is the William Cooper next door, born 1897, related to her? There are Cruddaces two doors down, another Benjamin. Just thinking, if she is William’s mother, she would have been 20 when he was born, if 1877 is accurate. Looks like the Benjamin born in 1915, mother maiden name Bainbridge. There doesn’t seem to be an Esther Bainbridge born during either periods you mentioned.
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Benjamin senior is Grandad. Benjamin junior is my dad.
William Cooper is unrelated to my Gran, but you have me completely puzzled when you say Benjamin 1915 has mother Bainbridge.
Many thanks for looking, very much appreciated.
Colin
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I can't see a relevant 1915 Benjamin with the mmn of Bainbridge either?
I presume it's this one?
Births Mar 1915
Cruddas Benjamin R mmn Cooper Darlington 10a 34
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Does this sound better
1877 birth
Benjamin Bainbridge Cruddace mother’s name Hodgson
1915 birth
Benjamin R Cruddas mmn Cooper
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May I suggest that you obtain the marriage certificate for Benjamin and Esther. This will give you her father's name and therefore a way of looking for her in the 1911, assuming that she is with her parents.
It will also give you her age assuming that it hasn't been put down as over 21 or full age!
You could also go further back in the census records.
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Hi all, and thanks very much for your help.
I'm sorry for the delay in getting back, I have been laid-low by a nasty stomach bug.
I am also sorry for not mentioning that I have all the research and do not need further help with that.
Knowing how avid RCers are in helping, it was a very basic mistake.
Thanks again,
Colin
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Not certain but can I say this.
What you see are not the cards [corrected] forms individual folk filled out.
What you see is an at the time transcription.
It might even be a transcription of a transcription.
Information sent to a central office.
The 1877 makes sense if someone's ruler slipped when transcribing
and they were reading from two different lines.
Some "originals" might be of the time BUT NOT originals.
Regards
pH
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Sorry about the mistake I made with Bainbridge has a maiden name. Thank goodness for sharper eyes than mine!
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Hi pH, thanks very much for that, it could very well explain the odd entry. Pity it had to be my Gran's though. :(
Hi DC, don't reproach yourself, at least you tried. You took me by surprise by coming up with the Bainbridge name. It is very relevant to my family, it is Benjamin Snr middle name, and his Dad was born John Crudace Bainbridge.
Best to all, and take care,
Colin
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Fairly recent funeral.
On April ..., suddenly at home, Tony aged ... years, of Darlington. Much loved husband of ...., beloved son, brother, uncle, step-dad, grandad and friend to many. In celebration of ,,, life a service will take place on Friday, ........... at 10.30a.m. Would friends please meet at The Freemasons Masonic Hall, Upper Archer Street, Darlington, DL3 6LS prior to private burial.
Upper Archer Street is still there in Darlington.
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Would friends please meet at The Freemasons Masonic Hall, Upper Archer Street, Darlington, DL3 6LS prior to private burial.
Upper Archer Street is still there in Darlington.
Thanks barryd.
Yes it is still there but sadly most was demolished to make way for the town's inner ring-road, which was never completed. The house where I was born had a blue plaque raised. Unfortunately it said "To The Sports Hall", which had just been built. ;D ;D
Colin