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Look up please for Augusta CARR b1853 Wycombe. Parents and Baptism plz.
In 1861 I find her in Long Row, Wycombe, 7yrs visitor to Harriett Beeson (Widow 23yrs)
also a visitor is, Joseph Carr 9yrs.
Thank you
Lesanne
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From GRO - Augusta Carr, registered June q 1853 in Wycombe RD - mmn = Wheeler.
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Possible marriage - Westbury RD - September q 1845 - William Carr and Ann Wheeler appear on the same page.
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Joseph also has mmn Wheeler.
Emeltom
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From GRO - Augusta Carr, registered June q 1853 in Wycombe RD - mmn = Wheeler.
but the only Walter who fits date and place has mmn Mullett
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marriages Wycombe Q1 1851 George Beeson and Harriet Wheeler on same page. Another possible Wheeler connection
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Wheeler / Carr household including Harriet and Elizabeth 1851
Piece number 1719
Folio 183
Page 20
Wheeler/ Carr marriage could be earlier than expected
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Possible marriage - Westbury RD - September q 1845 - William Carr and Ann Wheeler appear on the same page.
Hey Bumble :) so good to have another set of 'eyes' .. thanks for your time everyone.
Lizzie.. That Walter mmn Mullett .. The Harriett 'Beeson.. is nee Wheeler mmn Mullett..
Emeltom.. Joseph could possibly be a brother..
In 1871 Harriet is a Busby (mmn Mullett nee Wheeler, 1st m Beeson.. 2nd m Busby.)
I find Augusta with Harriett in Southwark St Paul/St George.
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That 1851 .. Sarah Carr b 1818 wife/mar is a complete mystery... How does that work... children with mmn Easdon and Mullett .. as daughters and sons...?
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In above household: Sarah Carr widow has three children with surname Wheeler and two with surname Carr. One of the Wheelers (Henry) has mmn Mullett
So did Sarah Mullett marry a Mr Wheeler have three children, then marry a Mr Carr who had two children from a previous marriage.Then Mr Carr died.
It would not be unknown for a widow to have further children following new relationships.
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Sorry misread 1851 image, sarah carr is wife and married, so Mr Carr is still alive somewhere but not with her on census day
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Wheeler family 1841
Piece number 55
Book number 5
Folio number 12
Page number 19
Robert and Sarah look like Harriet's parents and with them is Amelia Mullet old enough to be Sarah's mother
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If this is her marriage no help with father's name both say 'dead'
Augusta Carr full age, Old St Pancras
Marriage 24 Jun 1876 St Pancras Old St Pancras, Camden
Spouse: Fred William Spencer, Goldsmith
Witness F Slin?sby & C Wi??kly
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Carr household.. 1851
The children are 3x Wheeler mmn Mullett ages 13,11,8yrs..
and 2x Carr mmn Easdon. 12 and 9yrs..
Are they step-children? ::)
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Lizzie.. :) thanks for 'Amelia'.. looks like 'Nonette' 8)
Ladyhawk.. yes, when I saw 'dead' my heart sank !!
1851 a poss husband to Sarah Carr on census night.
Joseph Carr. Visitor. 41 (1810). Married. B'P High Wycombe. In Taunton, S'set. Chair maker
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Not sure if this has been posted apologies if I'm duplicating
Is this Sarah, Harriet & Henry Wheeler from 1851 census
1841 Piece: 55 Folio: 12 Page Number: 19
Newland
Robt Wheeler 25
Sarah Wheeler 25
Hariet Wheeler 4
Henry Wheeler 2
next door - don't think she's living with them
Amelia Mullet 45
Edit - sorry LizzieL - I missed you had posted 1841 census ::)
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Posting due to names
There is this marriage Wheeler/Carr marriage but her father John TURNER, farmer :-\ and Joseph's occupation Victualler, one of the witness signatures looks as if it could be Elizabeth Mullett but difficult to make out :-\
Sarah Wheeler f/a widow
Marriage 26 Jun 1850 St Martin-In-The-Fields, London, Westminster
Spouse: Joseph Carr, father Joseph, farmer
Robert Wheeler to Sarah Mullett married 2 Oct 1836 Wycombe Buckinghamshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJGL-MQF
Might be the Amelia from 1841 census
Amelia Mullett age 55, single, lacemaker, Lodger
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVR-6Z6
Edit to add here's Amelia 1861 and death
Piece: 856 Folio: 87 Page Number: 23
Mary Tenner 49
Amelia Mullett 67 single Wycombe lacemaker, lodger
Amelia Mullett Dec 1863 Wycombe Volume: 3a Page: 289
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marriage licence for 1850 marriage says Sarah of High Wycombe
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Joseph Carr. Visitor. 41 (1810). Married. B'P High Wycombe. In Taunton, S'set. Chair maker
House of Correction Buckingham
Joseph Carr age 30, Debtor....Chair M
1841 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7QG-ND5
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Why do two people from High Wycombe get married in London by licence.
I think Robert Wheeler died Q4 1841.
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I think Robert Wheeler died Q4 1841.
I was just posting same - red writing
WHEELER, ROBERT age 25
1841 D Quarter in THE WYCOMBE UNION Volume 06 Page 299
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death of Walter in 1881 - Bucks Herald
At Nowshera, India, Walter George Carr, 6th Dragoon Guards (Carbineers), youngest son of the late Mr. Joseph Carr, of High Wycombe.
16 April 1881 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
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baptism on 23 Jul 1809 at Great Marlow, Bucks Joseph Carr s/o Joseph and ann
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Sarah Mullett bapt 29 Jun 1817 High Wycombe d/o Amelia Mayne Mullett no father mentioned
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maybe a whole string of coincidences but...
Joshua Carr married Ann Cannon in HW 16 Jan 1830
1841 in High Wycombe
Ann Carr Chair M 35
William Carr 2
James Carr 11
Sarah Carr 7
Elizabeth Carr5
Henry Carr 23 Chair M
Joseph Budd 22
Elizabeth Budd 60
Best match for Henry Carr is one bapt 23 Aug 1818 Gt Marlow s/o Joseph and Ann
Is this Joseph's wife and family and younger brother? Joseph not there - house of correction??
Piece: 55
Book: 5
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18
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A Sarah Carr married on 01 Apr 1850 in Wycombe to James Fletcher
Her father was Joseph Carr
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death of Ann Carr age 44 in Q2 1850 HW. would fit with her approx age on census. If so it was swift remarriage, but why did Joseph claim to be a bachelor?
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His death entry perhaps
CARR, JOSEPH age 45
1854 D Quarter in WYCOMBE Volume 03A Page 280
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Bucks Herald has death of Mrs Carr (no first name) on 15 May 1859 widow of Mr Joseph Carr, so Joseph must have died before then. Address New land, High Wycombe
in the 42nd year of her age
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:) re reading all your lovely info :D
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If this is her marriage no help with father's name both say 'dead'
Augusta Carr full age, Old St Pancras
Marriage 24 Jun 1876 St Pancras Old St Pancras, Camden
Spouse: Fred William Spencer, Goldsmith
Witness F Slin?sby & C Wi??kly
Would going 'forward' help with parents ???
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Isn't she most likely to be daughter of Joseph Carr and Sarah, late Wheeler, maiden name Mullett?
The birth registration was found by Bumblebee in reply#1
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Hi Lizzie,
Not sure as :-\
Augusta and Joseph have mmn Wheeler, Walter has mmn Mullett.
Ok, I see, Sarah put 1st marriage name as mmn for the Joseph and Augusta reg.
Thank you very much. I was completely 'confuddled' :)
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Hi Lizzie,
Not sure as :-\
Augusta and Joseph have mmn Wheeler, Walter has mmn Mullett.
Ok, I see, Sarah put 1st marriage name as mmn for the Joseph and Augusta reg.
Thank you very much. I was completely 'confuddled' :)
In my tree I have a young widow who remarried and had several children with her second husband. There was a mixture of registrations with her actual maiden name and with her first husband's surname. I have only seen the GRO index, so don't know who registered the births, but my theory is that the mother registered the births where maiden name is correct and the father registered the others, only the rembering the name his wife had when they married.
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:) Thank you Lizzie,
With Sarah Carr in 1851 is a Master Chairmakers wife employing 25 men, there could be newspaper snippets of a company or works.
Going on this, Augusta is d/o Joseph. I'm thinking that Joseph Carr is Sarah's husband and children William and Ann both mmn Easdon are his from a previous marriage (although bach on cert).
It was in a reply that John Turner is Sarah's father on Carr/Wheeler cert :-\
Thanks again :)
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John Carr married Sophia Easdon in 1825, not Joseph.
I think Joseph is more likely the one who married Ann Cannon in 1830.
There is something a bit off about that marriage in London. Two people from HW going off to marry in London by licence within days of Ann (Cannon) Carr dying. Marriage record said both were single originally, then Sarah changed to widow when she gave the name of John Turner for her father.
Possible Turner connection: In 1851, Sarah's mother Amelia is lodging with elderly widow Sarah Turner. In 1841 Sarah has a possible husband John Turner. John and Sarah Turner had a son also John baptised in 1795 - similar age to Amelia - is that Sara Mullett / Wheeler / Carr's father
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:D Robert Wheeler and Sarah Mullet 2 Oct 1836 (Was Robert in the mayoral family Wheeler)..
After digging around the marriage of Sarah Wheeler (Widow) and Joseph Carr at St Martin in the Field, London. It's possibly because she was baptized there.
Also bapt 22 May 1817 at same place is Esther Slaughter, wife of Robert jr Wheeler (mayor).
A Sarah Mullett, bapt 17th June 1816 St Martin in the field to William Henry and Sarah Mullett (a pastry cook).
Parents William Henry Mullett and Sarah Kitchen married same place 1814.
A link to a John Turner is there was one as Mayor in 1841 /1851 / 1867 High Wycombe.
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I think the Sarah Mullett baptised in High Wycombe 29 Jun 1817 d/o Amelia Mayne Mullett (no father mentioned on baptism) is more likely.
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:) Thank you Lizzie for your time, trouble and sticking with me.
If anything else comes to light, Carr/Mullett tbc... ;)
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Look up please for Augusta CARR b1853 Wycombe. Parents and Baptism plz.
In 1861 I find her in Long Row, Wycombe, 7yrs visitor to Harriett Beeson (Widow 23yrs)
also a visitor is, Joseph Carr 9yrs.
Augusta CARR and her brother Joseph CARR, the children of Joseph (a chairmaker) and Sarah CARR, were baptised at Holy Trinity Parish Church High Wycombe on 22nd May 1853
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Carr household.. 1851
The children are 3x Wheeler mmn Mullett ages 13,11,8yrs..
and 2x Carr mmn Easdon. 12 and 9yrs..
The three WHEELER children are Sarah's from her first marriage to Robert WHEELER. They were baptised at Holy Trinity Church High Wycombe as follows:
13 Aug 1837 Harriet dau of Robert and Sarah WHEELER
13 Oct 1839 Henry son of Robert and Sarah WHEELER
17 Jul 1842 Elizabeth dau of Robert and Sarah WHEELER
The two CARR children are Joseph CARR's children from his first marriage to Ann CANNON. GRO entries as follows:
Qtr4 1838 Wycombe Union Vol 6 Page 366 - William CARR (mother's maiden name CANNON)
Qtr3 1841 Wycombe Union Vol 6 Page 397 - Ann CARR (mother's maiden name ED.... )
I think the maiden name given in Ann's birth entry is an error. Her baptism is recorded in High Wycombe Wesleyan Methodist Circuit:
26 Aug 1841 Ann dau of Joseph and Ann CARR of High Wycombe, aged 4 weeks
I have not found a baptism for William CARR. There is one other birth entry in the GRO Index:
Qtr4 1843 Wycombe Union Vol 6 Page 422 - Joseph CARR (mother's maiden name CANNON)
This child died the following year and his burial is recorded at Holy Trinity Church High Wycombe:
10 Oct 1844 Joseph CARR aged 1 year
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Thank you very much Orpheus for all that information, it truly does help :)
How does the mmn Easden go with Carr, if his wife was a Cannon.
Thank you again Orpheus for your time.
Lesanne
ps. Are you following the Quartermaines of Rycot by chance?
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How does the mmn Easden go with Carr, if his wife was a Cannon.
There are no children with a mother's maiden name of EASDEN belonging to Joseph CARR. There are, however, a number of CARR children with a mother's maiden name of EASDEN in the GRO Birth Index and I believe that these belong to George CARR, bachelor, and Eliza HESDIN, spinster, who married at Great Marlow on 26 Sep 1836. The marriage was witnessed by Thomas GRAY and Elizabeth CARR. Although Eliza's name is recorded as HESDIN in her marriage entry it is recorded as EASDEN when she and George CARR witnessed the marriage of Richard FORTNOR and Rebecca CARR.
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Are you following the Quartermaines of Rycot by chance?
My QUARTERMAINs are from Garsington, Oxfordshire and I can trace them back to around 1640. I suspect that the family were originally from Chalgrove but have not found a link (yet!).
The Rycote QUARTERMAYNs (Richard and Sybyl) did not have any children so that branch died out.
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How does the mmn Easden go with Carr, if his wife was a Cannon.
There are no children with a mother's maiden name of EASDEN belonging to Joseph CARR. There are, however, a number of CARR children with a mother's maiden name of EASDEN in the GRO Birth Index and I believe that these belong to George CARR, bachelor, and Eliza HESDIN, spinster, who married at Great Marlow on 26 Sep 1836. The marriage was witnessed by Thomas GRAY and Elizabeth CARR. Although Eliza's name is recorded as HESDIN in her marriage entry it is recorded as EASDEN when she and George CARR witnessed the marriage of Richard FORTNOR and Rebecca CARR.
see reply #35
John Carr married Sophia Easdon in 1825
John and Sophia can be found in 1851
Piece number 1719
Folio 496
Page 22
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Sorry, I missed that post! :-[ So there were two CARR/EASDEN marriages which would account for the number of CARR/EASDEN births in the GRO Index. Found these between 1837 and 1840:
Qtr4 1837 David CARR, maiden name EASDEN (this is a son of George/Eliza, see below)
Qtr3 1838 William CARR, maiden name EASDEN (this is a son of John/Sophia, see below)
Qtr4 1838 William CARR, maiden name CANNON (this is a son of Joseph/Ann)
Qtr4 1840 William CARR, maiden name EASDON (this is a son of George/Eliza, see below)
1841 Census - Park Lane, West Wycombe
George CARR 25 Sawyer
Eliza CARR 25 Lace maker
David CARR 3
William CARR 1 All born in County
1841 Census - Lane End, parish of Great Marlow
John CARR 35 Ag Lab
Sophia CARR 35
Emma CARR 15
James CARR 13
Eliza CARR 10
Martha CARR 8
George CARR 5
William CARR 2 All born in County