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Title: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: irene_kipyahoo.co on Saturday 06 February 21 14:30 GMT (UK)
My 3x gt grandfather, Charles Gallocher was involved in a fight with a man outside a pub in Neilston, Renfrewshire in 1885.  He subsequently died of his injuries in the Western Infirmary.  It’s a mystery how he would have got to the hospital as they were a very poor family.
I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of how to find possible police records and / or newspaper reports of the fight or his death. Thanks
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: DonM on Saturday 06 February 21 15:04 GMT (UK)
There is nothing in the newspapers and there is no death of a Charles Gallocher in 1885 on Scotland's People.  You can search for his death here https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Don
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: ColC on Saturday 06 February 21 17:05 GMT (UK)

I guess this could be the death registration?

CHARLES GALLACHER   Died age 40   1885      Kelvin

Colin
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: davieboy on Saturday 06 February 21 23:21 GMT (UK)
You can also search the National Archive for Scotland to see the court papers if they still survive
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 06 February 21 23:54 GMT (UK)
Charles died in the Western Infirmary which is Glasgow, what was his 'Usual Residence' on death?

How do you know he'd been 'involved in a fight with a man outside a pub in Neilston'?

Travel was likely by horse & cart?

Annie
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 07 February 21 00:29 GMT (UK)
One of these deaths?

GALLACHER
CHARLES
40
1885
644/9 711
Kelvin

GALLAGHER
CHARLES
40
1885
644/3 688
Dennistoun

And if you have the death certificate already (given you know he died in hospital), did you check if there was an RCE linked to it (eg if coroner/procurator fiscal involved)?

Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 07 February 21 00:42 GMT (UK)
Not your relative, but an 1885 example of another incident in Glasgow:

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     immediate removal to the Western Infirmary, and she was taken there in the St. Andrew's ambulance waggon     
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: WILLIAM 1 on Sunday 07 February 21 07:04 GMT (UK)
you could send an email to this site and ask for the information you want they might send it to you
https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/4bd6e599-8000-3444-9d99-be76ea981e7c
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 07 February 21 09:51 GMT (UK)
Quote from: scotmum on Sunday 07 February 21 00:29 GMT (UK)
did you check if there was an RCE linked to it (eg if coroner/procurator fiscal involved)?
There are no coroners in Scotland.

The Procurator Fiscal would only have been involved if there was a possibility of a crime having been committed and the perpetrator being prosecuted. This might be the case in this instance.

Most RCEs involve proceedings at a Sheriff Court.
Title: Re: Fight outside pub in Neilston
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 07 February 21 10:17 GMT (UK)
He would have been taken from "The Neilston!" ;D  to Glasgow on the train!

Skoosh.