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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Elwyn Soutter on Wednesday 03 February 21 23:04 GMT (UK)
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Looking for assistance with a marriage in Canada and arrival information in Canada.
Catherine O’Neill born 2nd March 1891 Co Antrim, Ireland went to Canada sometime between 1908 and 1932. She married John Burnett born c 1890, Glasgow, Scotland. I don’t have a date for their marriage but they had a son Hugh William Cameron Burnett in Montreal 27.6.1932, so the marriage was likely before that and in Canada. (There may also have been children John & James. No dates known for them). Catherine died in Montreal on 24.12.1969 and as far as I know spent most of her life in Canada there.
Can anyone find Catherine’s arrival in Canada on passenger lists, and also her marriage in Canada (presumably in or near Montreal)?
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John Burnett & wife Catherine returning to Montreal (arrived 13 May 1920 from Glasgow on ‘Sicilian’) with infant daughter Catherine aged 7 months. He previously in Canada 1912-1915. Have you checked for marriage in Scotland or Ireland?
They should appear in 1921 Canadian census.
Added- daughter Catherine born Glasgow (her birth should list date & place of parents' marriage).
More- Arrival form gives Catherine's brother as Wm. John Howie, 138 St. James Road, Glasgow.
Wondering if I've found correct family.
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Very grateful for your help. Very helpful.
Yes I had searched for a marriage in both Ireland and Scotland. Suspect they married in Canada but could be wrong. My Ancestry sub doesn’t cover migration or Canadian census records, so haven’t been able to search those.
I have found a fairly sparse tree on Ancestry with the couple on it and may get more information that way.
I’ll go down the Scottish birth cert route. Catherine's parents details should clarify whether it's the right family.
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Catherine Burnett & daughter Catherine V. made a trip to Scotland in 1928 and contact is (mother) Mrs. Alexaner Howie.
Wonder if your Catherine could be a second wife?
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John Burnett & wife Catherine returning to Montreal (arrived 13 May 1920 from Glasgow on ‘Sicilian’) with infant daughter Catherine aged 7 months. He previously in Canada 1912-1915. Have you checked for marriage in Scotland or Ireland?
They should appear in 1921 Canadian census.
Added- daughter Catherine born Glasgow (her birth should list date & place of parents' marriage).
More- Arrival form gives Catherine's brother as Wm. John Howie, 138 St. James Road, Glasgow.
Wondering if I've found correct family.
That couple were John Burnett married to Catherine Howie (m 1918 Glasgow), with daughter Catherine Victoria Howie Burnett, so I think it’s not the Catherine & John I am looking for, unless he later married Catherine O’Neill post 1920, which is possible.
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There was an 1891 born Kate O'Neill, single, headed to Montreal from Belfast in 1911.
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There was an 1891 born Kate O'Neill, single, headed to Montreal from Belfast in 1911.
Excellent. That sounds promising. Thank you for that.
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Elwyn, re above noted reply for Catherine's sailing in 1911. She was on the 'Lake Manitoba' which sailed from Belfast on 29th October 1911. Destination was Quebec and Montreal. The 'Master's name' was G C Evans. 'Kate' (identified thus) was listed age 20 and her occupation noted as 'Domestic'.
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Elwyn, re above noted reply for Catherine's sailing in 1911. She was on the 'Lake Manitoba' which sailed from Belfast on 29th October 1911. Destination was Quebec and Montreal. The 'Master's name' was G C Evans. 'Kate' (identified thus) was listed age 20 and her occupation noted as 'Domestic'.
Thanks.
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Manifest for the Kate O'Neill who was travelling in 1911 can be viewed at familysearch. It has her recorded as CofI under religious denomination.
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1901 census for 138 St James Road, Glasgow has a family group consisting of:
Alexander Howie born Scotland
wife Joan Howie born England
daughters Mary, Janet, Catherine and Alison all born Glasgow
son John W born Glasgow
so this fits with the family of the Catherine Howie/John Burnett marriage and names/address mentioned in travel records.
How certain are you that the 24/12/1869 death of a Catherine Burnett in Montreal, is the Catherine O'Neill of the 1891 Antrim birth?
Did you note that by coincidence or otherwise, in the same cemetery is a Catherine Victoria Burnett died 1987 - the same names as the child born to Catherine Howie/John Burnett, possibly also Catherine Howie's full name, so depending on age, perhaps the latter?
HOWIE
CATHERINE VICTO
F
1894 644/6 862 St Rollox
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Elwyn will be able to confirm whether or not this is the correct Catherine O'Neill-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02402/1895601.pdf
(mother Jane Cameron)
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Randalstown/Shane_Street/920080/
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Perhaps this is the obit/death notice that Elwyn is working from.
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Canada
26 Dec 1969, Fri Page 23
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69332605/catherine-burnett-26-december-1969/
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Canada
5 Aug 1987, Wed Page 64
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69334431/catherine-burnette-nee-howie-5/
Sandra
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Possible marriage :
At the Anglican St George Church , Montreal
John Burnett (transcribed Brunett ), bachelor , of Montreal , son of George Burnett of Montreal and of Janet Reston his wife
and Katherine O'Neill ( transcribed Oweel ) spinster of Montreal , daughter of William John O'Neill of Randalstown and of Jane Cameron , his wife , were married after due publication of Banns on the second day of December Nineteen Hundred and Twenty One.
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Looks good!
Possible pre-marriage family group for John in 1921: https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003098528, all Scottish, arrived 1910.
John's occupation - plumber.
A possibility to consider, if, given the other mistakes, Reston in the Canadian marriage entry should be Preston:
George Burnet m Janet Preston in 1880
BURNET
GEORGE
PRESTON
JANET
1880
795/ 5
Lilliesleaf
with, amongst other children, a son John born 1884 and a George born 1894.
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Canada Voters List 1949 - Quatrieme Avenue, Verdun-LaSalle - John Burnett (plummer) Catherine Burnett, John Burnett Jnr (C P R ),
James Burnett (Draughtsman)
Canada Voters List - 1953 - 1210 Allard Avenue, Verdun-Lasalle. John Burnett (Plumber) Katherine Burnett and John Jnr Burnett (machinist)
Sandra
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These seem to lead down the path of the discounted couple - Canada Voters List 1968 - 49 Rue Alepin LaSalle - John Burnett (retired) Kathryn Burnett, John Burnett Jnr (mechanic)
Canada Voters List 1972 - 40 e Avenue La Salle - John Burnett (Retired) John Burnett (CPR) Dorothy Burnett (housewife) Dorinda Burnett (Typist)
Canada Voters List 1974 - 40 e Avenue - John M Burnett (CPR) Dorothy Burnett, John A Burnett (retired)
Sandra
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Looks good!
Possible pre-marriage family group for John in 1921: https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003098528, all Scottish, arrived 1910.
John's occupation - plumber.
A possibility to consider, if, given the other mistakes, Reston in the Canadian marriage entry should be Preston:
George Burnet m Janet Preston in 1880
BURNET
GEORGE
PRESTON
JANET
1880
795/ 5
Lilliesleaf
with, amongst other children, a son John born 1884 and a George born 1894.
1901 2 Moncrieff Ter Newington, Edinburgh.
Parish Edinburgh Newington; ED 72 Page 25 Line 16
Geo Burnett 43 Aerated Water Lorryman
Janer Burnett 41
John Burnett 17 Apprentice Plumber.
Helen Burnett 15 Cash Girl
Jas Burnett 13
George Burnett 6
Canadian Attestation Papers for George Burnett - 8/5/1894
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=76876
Canadian Attestation Papers - James Burnett - 4 October 1887
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=76912
James Burnett - died 2 June 1916
Menin Gate Memorial
Ypres (Ieper), Arrondissement Ieper, West Flanders (West-Vlaanderen), Belgium.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11983511/james-burnett
Father George Burnett died 30 March 1931 (aged 74 years) According to Drouins Collection died 31 March 1931
United Church Chalmers
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108099308/george-burnett
Mother Janet Burnett died 12 September 1933
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108099320/janet-burnett
Sandra
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I believe this is the family from all you note.
1949 Voters' List in Electoral District of Verdun - Lascalle. City of Verdun. Urban Polling Division.
Address: 63 Quatrieme Avenue.
Burnett, John, Plumber
Burnett, Mrs. Catherine
Burnett, John, Jnr, Machinist
Burnett, James, Draughtsman
Also, re Katherine's Death:
Died 24 Dec 1969
Obituary 26 Dec 1969
Burial 27 Dec 1969
Spouse: John.
Children: John, James, Hugh
There is also a newspaper Obituary for Katherine I cannot access, however.
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Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection) 1621 - 1968.
Anglican St. George 1921.
Marriage, all is hand written on each page of 'register'.
Column:
Burnett and O'Neill Marr.
Very faint date is 'Dec 7th'. (Date & December confirmed below. NO punctuation!)
John Burnett bachelor of Montreal son of George Burnett of Montreal and of Janet Reston
his wife and Katharine (note 'ar') O'Neill spinster of Montreal daughter of William John O'Neill of Randalstown Ireland and of Jane Cameron his wife were married after due publication of Banns on the Seventh day of December in the year of our Lord Nineteen Hundred and Twenty One
This marriage was duly solemnized between us
Signed (all below each other):
John Burnett
Katherine O'Neill (Capital 'K' ... note 'er')
In the presence of
William John ?Mathe?
Ciara E Innes
Another signature ('Signed' by name below) and title to the right at 45 degrees is faint and illegible. Surely the person conducting the Service.
In the search for this marriage O'Neill was interpreted and written as Oweel. This 'caught my eye'!
There is NO sign of birth for Hugh in 1932.
That's it! I hope the above is helpful.
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I believe this is the family from all you note.
1949 Voters' List in Electoral District of Verdun - Lascalle. City of Verdun. Urban Polling Division.
Address: 63 Quatrieme Avenue.
Burnett, John, Plumber
Burnett, Mrs. Catherine
Burnett, John, Jnr, Machinist
Burnett, James, Draughtsman
Also, re Katherine's Death:
Died 24 Dec 1969
Obituary 26 Dec 1969
Burial 27 Dec 1969
Spouse: John.
Children: John, James, Hugh
There is also a newspaper Obituary for Katherine I cannot access, however.
If you wish to view the obit - see reply 12
Items covered in reply 12, 13 and 15.
Will see if this might lead to Catherine .......... :)
Believe this is the brother of Catherine O Neill - had hoped she was a witness but sadly not to be...
There was a marriage of William John Oneill to Mary Larkin 6 th June 1924 - Saint Ignatius of Loyola Montreal Quebec.
William John Oneill was the son of William John O Neill and Jane Cameron, Randalstown County Antrim.
Mary Larkin catholic daughter of James Larkin and Rosanna McCullough.
Witnesses George Albert Pugh and Ellen Larkin.
There was a son born to this couple - William John O Neill born 28 November 1924 and baptism
4 th January 1925 - Place of Worship or Institution St Alphonse
resided :- 216 Goyeau Street Windsor Ontario.
Sandra
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Jumping way ahead this is the obituary for nephew William John O Neill - born 1924 Windsor Essex Ontario (as above) with a photograph of him.
The Windsor Star Windsor, Ontario, Canada
28 Dec 2011, Wed Page 39
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69349097/obituary-for-william-john-oneill-aged/
Sandra
Added ONeill family in Ireland 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Randalstown/Shane_Street/920080/
Added obituary of Doris the wife of William John O Neill Jnr -
Doris Mary O'neill
April 14, 1918 – February 13, 2003
https://www.familiesfirst.ca/memorials/doris-mary-oneill/3478289/service-details.php
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Brother William John O Neill - 1893–1971
Born 3 March 1893 - Randalstown, Antrim, Northern Ireland died 20-02-1971 - Windsor, Essex, Ontario.
Obituary The Windsor Star Windsor, Ontario, Canada
20 Feb 1971, Sat Page 26
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69349735/obituary-for-william-oneill-john-aged/
Survived by a sister and brothers in Ireland. Wonder if this means Catherine had passed away by 1971 ?
Elwyn have you any idea who the sister is ?
Sandra
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Obituary for Mary Larkin (wife of William John ONeill)
The Windsor Star Windsor, Ontario, Canada
10 Jul 1971, Sat Page 22
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69350340/obituary-for-mary-oneill-aged-75/
Katherine that was mentioned was her sister.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1962 - 1215 Rue Godin Verdun Montreal - Hugh Burnett and Mrs Helen Burnett (housewife)
Canada Voters List 1963 - 1215 Godin Avenue Verdun Montreal - Hugh Burnett (expeditor) and Helen Burnett
Canada Voters List 1965 - 1215 Godin Avenue Verdun Montreal - Hugh Burnett (production planner)
Canada Voters List 1972 - 1667 Leclair Avenue Verdun Montreal - Hugh Burnett IBM Operator) Helen Burnett and John Burnett (retired)
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/hugh-burnett-obituary?pid=20448578&page=2
Sandra
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obituary - Helen Joyce nee McCarthy Burnet
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Canada
14 Jun 1995, Wed Page 59
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69356585/helen-joyce-burnett-14-june-1995/
Sandra
Added the son mentioned in this obit "K" has a family tree on ancestry and it links John Burnett (died 1977) to Catherine O Neil (died 1970) No source info
Last logged in today.
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Could this be the brother - might be worth trying to follow. :-\
Canada Voters List 1940 - 721 Second Avenue, Verdun, Montreal George Burnett (plumber) and Mrs George Burnett.
Sandra
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Marriage - George Barrett - George Burnett - 41 Galt Avenue.
Religion Anglican - Marriage Date 19 April 1925 Verdun, Québec
Place of Worship or Institution Anglican Saint Clement
Spouse Sarvitt (Jean Thompson (Ash)
Sandra
Partial copy -
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This could be the family The Bloom Livingstone Lothian in 1901 - rather than Tarvit - it could be Tervit :-\
Robert Tarvit 32
Catherine J Tarvit 28
Catherine Tarvit 10
Marion Tarvit 7
Jane Tarvit 4 born 1897
Helen Tarvit 1
marriage of parents -
Tervit Robert- Thomson Catherine Jane - 1890 - 694/2 Mid Calder.
Canada Ocean Arrivals 1920
Jeanie Tarvit Birth Year abt 1897 Livingstone ??
Age 23 - Date of Arrival 1920
Canadian Passenger List - Liverpool to St Johns New Brunswick arriving 30 January 1920 on the Scandanavian.
Sandra
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Interesting from the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection) under James Barnett - James son of John Burnett and Catherine O Neill his wife born in Verdun Quebec 7 November 1924 baptised 12 April 1925. Anglican Saint Clement
Witnesses were George Burnett. John Burnett and Jean Tavit.
Sandra
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Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection) - Jean Helen Preston Burnett - child of George Burnett and Jean Tavit - born 7 April 1927 and baptised on the third day of July in the same year. First Presbyterian Church Verdun.
G. Burnett and Jean Burnett.
Sandra
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Hi,
Quebec Vital and Church Records 1923, Anglican St. Clement Church
John, son of John Burnett of 331 Second Ave. Verdun and Catherine O'Neill was born 17 Dec.
1922, bapt. April 8, 1923. Witnesses Clara E. Innes, Frederick C. Evans and Catherine Burnett
And Hugh was born in 1931 not 1932
Quebec Vital and Church Records, 1931, Anglican St. Clement Church
Hugh William Cameron, son of John Burnett of 81 Fourth Ave., Verdun and Catherine O'Neill
was born 27 June 1931, bapt. Sept. 20, 1931. Witnesses Emily Bell, and John Burnett
DB
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Hi,
Quebec Vital and Church Records 1923, Anglican St. Clement Church
John, son of John Burnett of 331 Second Ave. Verdun and Catherine O'Neill was born 17 Dec.
1922, bapt. April 8, 1923. Witnesses Clara E. Innes, Frederick C. Evans and Catherine Burnett
And Hugh was born in 1931 not 1932
Quebec Vital and Church Records, 1931, Anglican St. Clement Church
Hugh William Cameron, son of John Burnett of 81 Fourth Ave., Verdun and Catherine O'Neill
was born 27 June 1931, bapt. Sept. 20, 1931. Witnesses Emily Bell, and John Burnett
DB
Great stuff. What a star you are :) So we have the three baptisms and names (John. James and Hugh) mentioned in the original post.
Yipee. :) :)
Might be nice if the original poster does come back to the thread.
Sandra
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yipee :) :) all three. Thanks mate, only following along with your star additions.
Come on back Elwyn, we have stuff. ;D
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Started wondering why the poster had not checked that Scotland marriage in 1918 to see who John Burnett listed as his parents. Looking again at the Burnett family returning to Canada in 1920, John Burnett has a totally different birth year to the other John Burnett who married Catherine ONeill.
John Burnett signs the Canada Ocean arrivals form 30A for Catherine Burnett. Date of arrival 14 May 1920. Grandmother given as Mrs Annie Burnett, 13 Bellies Brae, Kirriemuir.
1901 Scotland Census 68 Roads St Kirriemuir, Forfarshire.
Parish Kirriemuir ED 2 Page 5 Line 11
John Burnett 37
Annie Burnett 37
William Burnett 13
John Burnett 8
Annie Burnett 5
David Burnett 3
Maggie Burnett 1
Sandra
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Canadian Attestation Papers - John Burnett - 24 May 1891 Kirriemuir, Forfarshire.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=76930
Sandra
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Obituary for John Burnett (who married Catherine Victoria Howie)
Interment Mount Royal Crematorium.
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Canada
2 Feb 1954, Tue Page 25
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69492033/obituary-for-john-bdrnett-aged-64/
Sandra
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So RootsChatters have found the marriage and baptisms of John Burnett and Catherine O Neill.
A little background on a couple of Burnett brothers.
Interestingly - William Burnett (Brother of John Burnett) sailed from Greenock Scotland arriving 29 November 1930 on the S S Duchess of Richmond. William aged 42 years. Had been in Canada April 1912 - October 1930 at 5333 Western N D G Montreal. Going home to that address. Mother Mrs John Burnett, 13 Baillies Brae, Kirriemuir.
Sandra
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and another brother - Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A - David Thomson Burnett abt 1898
Kirriemuir, Scotland - Age 22 - groom.
Date of Arrival 12 Apr 1920 - Port of Arrival Saint John, New Brunswick - Ship Name Victorian.
Destined to brother Willaim Burnett, Montreal address - hard to read.
Mother Mrs Burnett, 13 Ballies Brae, Kirriemuir. Scotland. Intended to remain permanently.
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
David Thomson Burnett (although it does say David Thomas Burnett) died 18 September 1967
burial -Cimetière Mont-Royal Outremont, Montreal Region, Quebec.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108993404/david-thomas-burnett
spouse Ina
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108993409/ina-thomson-burnett
Sandra
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Death Notice David Burnett - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Canada
23 Sep 1967, Sat Page 55
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69492671/david-thomson-burnett-23-september/
Sandra
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Death Notice Ina nee Wilson Burnett - wife of David
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Canada
16 Nov 1978, Thu Page 46
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69492675/obituary-for-ina-brunett/
Sandra
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Thanks very much for all the extensive help here. It’s all come in so fast I haven’t been able to keep up! Yes I have got 2 couples mixed up. The couple who married in Glasgow in 1918 are the wrong couple. The one I am after is the one Christine53 has found, who married in Montreal. So there’s lots of useful references to them. Thank you. I’ll have to go through this and assimilate it all.
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Another piece of the unravelling puzzle.
Obit/Death Notice for Hugh Burnett - The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada 28 Dec 2006, Thu Page 38
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69500856/obituary-for-hugh-burnett/
So brother John (1922) still living in 2006 -
James 7 Nov 1924 passed away
Sandra
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Possible FIND A GRAVE entry William Burnett 1888 - 1973 (according to anc tree) and Louisa Smith 1896 -1971
Goodwood Cemetery Goodwood, Durham Regional Municipality, Ontario
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1151837
Sandra
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Sandra,
Thank you again.
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Will keep you busy sorting thru all the information :) Have fun :)
Take Care
Stay Safe
Sandra
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Sandra,
I think I am probably complete now. You – with others help - have identified the right family. I am helping someone in BC who is looking to locate living relatives in or around Montreal. Obviously we don't do that directly on RC but you have provided enough information for them to trace a couple of likely candidates on social media sites, plus the Ancestry tree belonging to one descendant is another avenue.
So I am very happy.
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That's brilliant. Just ask if you need something else. Message me if its living people. Can't guarantee but always willing to have a go.
Regards
Sandra
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I believe you are talking about by my grandmother and grandfather.
Are you searching for something in particular