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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: winona on Saturday 30 January 21 01:17 GMT (UK)
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Would anyone have any details about the people in this photo - era when photo was taken.
Believed to be people from the Ladners family.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=843619.msg7103733#msg7103733
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Looks like a brand new engine sitting on a turntable & the "key" is being handed to the driver.
Men dressed like this over a long period but typically 1880's/1890's.
A train enthusiast may be able to date the engine.
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Deleted - I was in the "wrong" Horsham!
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The locomotive, by the cab and cowcatcher, is North American dating from around 1860-70. If Jim's date of 1880's to 90's is correct then the loco is obviously not new
Regards
AJ
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I think the loco is Australian, from Victoria state railways, made in the uk, it is a typical 0-6-0 goods engine from one of the private loco builders, the cab, lights, cow catcher, etc. may have been added in australia but the Westinghouse brake pump and piping would be from the original build.
Just arrived on the docks, maybe?
One British builder that comes to mind is the Vulcan foundry.
Date maybe 1870s 1880s
Mike
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I would say Australian about 1880/90. There is a similar engine in an Australian Railway
Museum built 1888. Unfortunately the video I saw didn't allow for a good view.
This is a model I finished recently of the 'Jupiter' built in New York, U.S.A. in 1888.
You can see the Engine in the posting has many American influences.
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I've a suspicion that the engine was made at the Pheonix Works in Ballarat nr. Victoria. ??? ??? ???
Which I think is near Horsham ??? ??? ??? If that is so then the picture could be a handing over
ceremony or a completion. Again a pure guess and speculation ;D ;D ;D ;D
Do any census records detail any Landers working there?
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The Victoria state museum won’t let me see large photos, :) :) but does say that in the late 1800s in collaboration with Kitson of Leeds (uk) a range of standard engines was starting to be produced.
As the request is for dating I think this is more likely to be 1890s possibly a bit later as the Australian steel industry did not kick off until 1901, all steel being imported before then.
Mike
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This link to OP's original query in Australia.
The name sought is LADNER not LADNERS.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=843619.0
Yes, there were people named LADNER in Ballarat in the 1890's.
LADNER of Ballarat. House destroyed by fire. 1893
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/44114523
William LADNER Insolvent of Young St Ballarat. 1896
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8902486
The 1903 Victorian electoral Roll shows the name LADNER, Charles, William and others with occupation as miners. At a glance, I do not see a railways connection.
You can search newspapers here.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/
Sue
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Yes, as can be found on your linked post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=843619
both Thomas LADNER (1868-1937) and his father Edward James LADNER (c1840-1896) both worked on the Victorian railways in various locations.
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R A LESLIE, photograher was advertising his new studio in Narracoorte in March 1891. Narracoorte is not really near Ballarat, and Horsham is somewhat in the middle of the two. (Though some of his photos which won awards were of different areas around Victoria.)
He travelled for work extensively, going to Coraki (northern NSW) in 1893, and is described as "of Silverton" (western NSW) in 1893. After 1895 he was in Seymour and Broadford, Yea, and other locations around Victoria.
Intriguing item here in 1901 in the Alexandra Shire Council minutes:
" R. A. Leslie, photographer, asking for particulars regarding photographs suggested for railway carriages."
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57646307
Modified to add:
If you search trove for "R A Leslie" and limit to "Illustration type - photo" (on the RHS of the screen), there are a number of his photographs, including some of trains.
https://trove.nla.gov.au
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I have been looking at the water tower behind the engine and trying to place it.
This one has similarities.
It is at Branxholme in the Western District of Victoria.
What do others think?
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Australia is a distinct possibility. It occurred to me that the loco had several British features - Ramsbottom safety valves for instance - so could it have been built here for the Americans? Unlikely, as they had their own builders.
The 'key' that is being handed to the driver could be a single line working token. Looks about the right size.
Regards
AJ
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I have been looking at the water tower behind the engine and trying to place it.
This one has similarities.
It is at Branxholme in the Western District of Victoria.
What do others think?
Looks like a good match Sue. :) Not sure how "standard" water towers were?
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Ah, well. I'm no expert there but interesting thoughts anyway.
Winona has not commented on this or the other thread about LADNER family so will press pause for now. ;D
Sue
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Hello everyone. Thank you all for your thoughts and comments, they have been very helpful. The dates seem to fit in with a few family members' thoughts.
Sorry for the delay in answering, but these last 10 days have been very hectic with tradies coming and going plus a few other things happening that have taken up a lot of time. Winona