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Hi,
I'm looking for information about a marriage between John HACKNEY born 11th June 1890, Congleton, and Lily BOOTH born 1899, Oldham, Mothers maiden name COLLINS. And Agnes HACKNEY born Oldham 1920 mothers maiden name BOOTH.
In 1886, Audley, Staffordshire, Alfred BOOTH married my great grandmother Mary Ellen HARDING, it proved to be a childless marriage according to family knowledge, they did however adopt a boy called John HACKNEY born Congleton 11th June 1890. At some point before 1901, Alfred leaves blaming Mary Ellen for their lack of children, she however appears on the 1901 census as a housekeeper to Daniel PLANT, with my grandfather George BOOTH born 1899 and adopted son John HACKNEY, she will eventually have another five children with Daniel PLANT, so much for Alfred saying that she could not bear children.
Family talk was that Alfred went to Oldham because he had a sister there, and indeed this is true, in 1901 Alfred is living at Ducie St, Oldham, with Elizabeth BOOTH (wife) born Oldham 1862 and Lily BOOTH (daughter) born Oldham 1899, no marriage record has been found.
In 1911 he is living at The Palladium Inn, Ashton Rd,
Bardsley, Oldham with Rose BOOTH (wife) born Gloucester 1866 and Lily BOOTH (daughter) born 1899 Oldham, again no marriage records have been found.
On the 28th November 1917 John HACKNEY aged 27 married Lillian BOOTH in Oldham. The Marriage Certificate shows John’s father as being Daniel Hackney, Silk Spinner, deceased (correct) and Lillian’s father as Alfred BOOTH Beer Seller deceased (correct).
A possible child to this marriage is Agnes Hackney born 1920 Oldham, Mothers maiden name BOOTH.There is a death for a Lillian Hackney in Oldham 1924 if this was Agnes's mother, what happened to Agnes.
Thanks in Advance Dennis Booth.
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What information are you after to save us looking for something you already know
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HACKNEY, JOHN
Mother's maiden surname: EGERTON
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 302 Occasional Copy: A
John HACKNEY
Baptism Date: 21 Aug 1890
Baptism Place: Congleton St Stephen, Cheshire, England
Residence Place: St. Stephen, Congleton, Cheshire, England
Father: Daniel HACKNEY
Mother: Priscilla HACKNEY
Marriages Dec 1889
Congleton 8a 471
EGERTON, Priscilla
HACKNEY, Daniel
One sibling named Annie born in 1891.
Deaths
HACKNEY, DANIEL
Aged 30
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 255
HACKNEY, PRISCILLA
Aged 27
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 205
1891 census
Class: RG12; Piece: 2845; Folio: 124; Page: 25
Debra :)
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BOOTH, LILY
Mother's maiden surname: COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 675
Marriages Mar 1887
Oldham 8d 678
BOOTH, James
COLLINS, Sarah Ann
Lily BOOTH
Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1899
Baptism Place: Oldham S Mary's, Oldham, England
Father: Samuel BOOTH
Mother: Sarah Ann BOOTH
FHL Film Number: 1656225
Reference ID: 325
1901 census
Class: RG13; Piece: 3814; Folio: 130; Page: 30
I am just guessing that this girl was the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Ann BOOTH nee COLLINS and Samuel HARTLEY. In 1911 she is given the surname HARTLEY while her older brother is given the surname BOOTH.
Either way, this BOOTH/COLLINS birth is not the child with Alfred and Rose BOOTH in 1911.
Debra :)
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Here are the Booths in 1911 - poor transcriptions re birth place of Alfred.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW11-JGH
You will have to sign in but it is free.
We aren’t allowed to post information from the 1911 census - hence the link to Family Search.
However, they are not living at the Palladium Inn, Ashton Road.
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What information are you after to save us looking for something you already know
Thank you for the PM, I see you have now added the information to your first post :)
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Thank you for the thanks too ;).
As Rosie says you have added to your first post now.
It seems to be established that Lily Booth with mother Collins is not your person.
Where do you have the information re the Palladium Inn - is that on a record somewhere? As I wrote earlier, they are not there in 1911.
Just a couple of points.
Alfred in 1901 shows born Oldham. Is his sister living in the same area?
The family are living in Bardsley in 1901 so Lily might be registered in Ashton under Lyne as that is the registration district.
Having said that, I can’t find a birth in the right area. :-\
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Alfred Booth on the 1911 Census at the Dog & Partridge, 17, Nelson St, Oldham, with his supposed wife and daughter Rose Booth and Lily Booth. His sister, Mary Ann Wildblood nee Booth is living at 587, Mills Terrace, Oldham Rd, Bardsley.
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That's correct re 1911.
So where are you up to now in your research?
What/who are you looking for?
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First priority is to find out what happened to Agnes Hackney, and her father John, also to confirm it was her mother who died in 1924.
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Oldham Cemetery records
https://adt.oldham.gov.uk/BacasWeb/GenLocDetails.aspx?ID=66302
Lilian Hackney plus others (Cumberbatch)- including Nellie Hackney 14 months
Lancashire BMD
Birth
1923 Ellen Hackney with mmn Cumberbatch
Those Cumberbatch births have mother Cooper except Samuel with mother Howarth.
**there is a birth for Lilian Cumberbatch mmn Cooper 1899
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1939 register shows a John Hackney with the birthdate you have living in Derbyshire.
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Thank you, it’s a possibility, just have to prove it.
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Lilian Hackney died on the 18th of August and was buried in Chadderton Cemetery Oldham on the 23 rd of August 1924, aged 35 years,
address 6 Back Scott Street
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Lilian Hackney died on the 18th of August and was buried in Chadderton Cemetery Oldham on the 23 rd of August 1924, aged 35 years,
address 6 Back Scott Street
The link is given in reply #10, radcliffe ;) I just wish I could work out who she was :-\
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:)
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Lancs opc
St Thomas Werneth
Born 23rd March
Baptised 14 th May 1899
Lilius Cumberbatch
Child of Samuel and Amelia
Father self actor minder
Abode 37 Tudor Street
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Yes I saw that and Tudor Street is the address of the child Thomas H buried in the grave.
Thomas Harold, Lilian and Ernest (also in the grave) have mother’s name Cooper.
The address has Harvey Ashton and family in 1901.
Ernest shows an address of Ashton Road in 1901.
As Lil* is living in Ducie Street (off Ashton Road, Bardsley) in 1901 census with Alfred and Elizabeth Booth, it is difficult to connect this Lilian to Lilian Hackney as ‘Lilius’ Cumberbatch has mother Amelia.
I have given the OP a sighting for John Hackney with the right birth of date but they would like to prove it so this Cumberbatch twist might be a step too far. ;)
Added:
Just checked Ashton Road becomes Oldham Road near Ducie Street.
Tudor Street was quite close to Ashton Road, Oldham and Scott Street (so Bk Scott Street too) are off Ashton Road on the other side, close by. Nellie and Lilian Hackney’s address is Bk Scott Street.
Of course Ashton Road is a very long road :)
The birth certificate of Ellen Hackney would help.
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Idwalthedeaf,
What addresses were given on the marriage certificate for John and Lilian?
Who were the witnesses?
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ThomasHarold Cumberbatch mother Cooper 1896 Oldham
Buried 22 nd may 1897
Abode Tudor Street aged 13 months
Just going over what you have posted already one of the birth certificates for these children may confirm who their mother eas