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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Anderley on Thursday 28 January 21 16:53 GMT (UK)
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This man is a mystery to me! There isn't an Albert Baum's birth registered in the GRO/Free BMD, Familysearch Warwickshire records online and even the registrar's office! He married at the age of 20 in 1880 was in parish of St. Mark, Leicester and he lived in that area all of his life. Father's name was Joseph (deceased on marriage certificate). He appears on the 1881 to 1911 censuses as a married man stating he is born in Birmingham. He isn't in any census's prior to 1881 but in 1871 there is a 10 year old pauper named Albert in the Leicester Workhouse but he's born in Thurmaston, Leicester. Registrations seems to be in Barrow upon Soar - Mountsorrel, Leicestershire and absolutely nothing in Birmingham!
I have tried looking for other Joseph Baum's family's and researched their trees back to the 1700's but there's no sign of even the name ALBERT in any of the naming patterns. So I'm wondering whether someone out there can help me look somewhere else?! It's like he was dropped in by aliens!
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What was father Joseph's occupation on the marriage cert? And do the witnesses give any clues - who were they?
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Father Joseph Baum (Deceased) occ Labourer
Witnesses were Walter Castle and Jane Hastings - Bride was Jemima Hastings. Bride, Groom & witnesses all signed.
I often wonder about fathers who are deceased on marriages, sometimes they are fictitious
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Birth June qtr 1860
BOURM Albert mmn Adams
Aston 6d 265
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A sibling for that Bourm birth
BOURM, JOSEPH mmn ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1864 June Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 170
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Worth investigating :-\
BOURM, JOSEPH age 44
GRO Reference: 1861 Dec Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 100
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this one ties in ....
1861 Aston BOURN
Joseph hd 44 Stoker
Harriet wife 37
Thomas Leadon son 15 ? stoker
Bill son 7 errand boy
Timothy son 6 scholar
Robert son 3
Elias son 2
Albert son 11/12
Elias born Aston 1858 mmn Adams registered as Bourne.
Tazzie
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Timothy on GRO is listed as BORUN mmn Adams.
Tazzie
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In 1871 both Timothy and Robert aged 14 and 13 are living out as servants.
Tazzie
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1871
Harriott Bourm hd wid 47 seamss b Leicestershire
Thomas Leader son 26 lab Leicestershire
William son 17. Lab Birmingham
Joseph son 7 scholar Leicestershire.
Belgrave Leicestershire. 187. 3266. 187. Page 38
Tazzie
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Father Joseph Baum (Deceased) occ Labourer
Witnesses were Walter Castle and Jane Hastings - Bride was Jemima Hastings. Bride, Groom & witnesses all signed.
I often wonder about fathers who are deceased on marriages, sometimes they are fictitious
Wow! How did you find out that info so quickly?? I had to apply for the certificate and waited for a month!
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Info only
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTN-WZ1
Harriet Adams c 1824 first married John Leader MQ 1845 Leicester.
Children of John & Harriet
LEADER, ELIAS ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 81
LEADER, HENRY ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 109
LEADER, THOMAS ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 84
LEADER, SARAH ANN ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 117
John Leader dies 1850 Leicester
Harriet Leader marries Joseph BAUM DQ 1852
Details of marriage -- Parish Church St Margaret's Leicester 23rd December 1852
Groom Joseph Baum aged 34 "Widower" occ Labourer, abode Charlotte Street, father John Baum
Bride Harriet Leader aged 28 "Widow" father Timothy Adams, occc Boatman
John
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Joseph Baum baptised 10th August 1817 Thurmaston Leicestershire, parents John & Frances.
John
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Info only
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTN-WZ1
Harriet Adams c 1824 first married John Leader MQ 1845 Leicester.
Children of John & Harriet
LEADER, ELIAS ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 81
LEADER, HENRY ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 109
LEADER, THOMAS ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 84
LEADER, SARAH ANN ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 117
John Leader dies 1850 Leicester
Harriet Leader marries Joseph BAUM DQ 1852
Details of marriage -- Parish Church St Margaret's Leicester 23rd December 1852
Groom Joseph Baum aged 34 "Widower" occ Labourer, abode Charlotte Street, father John Baum
Bride Harriet Leader aged 28 "Widow" father Timothy Adams, occc Boatman
John
John THANK YOU! This is so helpful! And it shows a link to St Margaret's which makes sense!
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There's one in 1851 b 1816 Thurmaston with a wife Eliza. There are a few children if he's the right one. Is he the right one?
The other 3 Leader children John found all die very young.
Tazzie
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1871
Harriott Bourm hd wid 47 seamss b Leicestershire
Thomas Leader son 26 lab Leicestershire
William son 17. Lab Birmingham
Joseph son 7 scholar Leicestershire.
Belgrave Leicestershire. 187. 3266. 187. Page 38
Tazzie
Tazzie - all of what you've posted makes sense that this Albert is the correct one! Thank you for your help!
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Wow! I'm impressed with all of your assistance! I think all of this fits better in the family and I'm going to investigate it further. Thanks everyone!!
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Info only
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTN-WZ1
Harriet Adams c 1824 first married John Leader MQ 1845 Leicester.
Children of John & Harriet
LEADER, ELIAS ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 81
LEADER, HENRY ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 109
LEADER, THOMAS ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 84
LEADER, SARAH ANN ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 117
John Leader dies 1850 Leicester
Harriet Leader marries Joseph BAUM DQ 1852
Details of marriage -- Parish Church St Margaret's Leicester 23rd December 1852
Groom Joseph Baum aged 34 "Widower" occ Labourer, abode Charlotte Street, father John Baum
Bride Harriet Leader aged 28 "Widow" father Timothy Adams, occc Boatman
John
John THANK YOU! This is so helpful! And it shows a link to St Margaret's which makes sense!
And whereabouts are you finding the information about the marriages?? I'd like to know for the future!
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Images and details of the marriages of John Leader/Harriet Adams & Joseph Baum/Harriet Leader are available on Findmypast. It's cheaper to take out a months sub and download images rather than to order from gro.
John
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Harriets baptism image + other siblings are also available on FindMyPast giving her mother's name. The siblings names are carried on with Harriet's own children.
John
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Harriets baptism image + other siblings are also available on FindMyPast giving her mother's name. The siblings names are carried on with Harriet's own children.
John
THANKS AGAIN John! I have a sub to Find My Past but didn't even think about it for this research! Geesh! I will look all of this up now!