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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Jane Lucas on Sunday 24 January 21 18:17 GMT (UK)
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This Church/Chapel closed in 1963 and was demolished. Last year I found somewhere online a list of gravestone removals to Duke Cemetery, where I assume remains were reinterred. The list gave the name of the funeral director in Liverpool responsible for the exhumations. I know there is a reference to this Chapel in Lancashire Archives online catalogue (Lancat) but that is not where the list came from. I stupidly did not make a note of where I found it. I took a screenshot of the top of the page and a few names, but I really want the rest of the list. I think I assumed I’d get to the Archive. But I don’t live nearby and Covid has now put a stop to travel.
I’m hoping someone can shed light on this mystery.
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Might it have been at The National Archives at Kew?
There is this item listed.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2602822
It is dated the same year as on the clipping of the paper you have.
Unfortunately not digitised, so it might not be the same document if you think you found it 'on-line'.
Might be of interest though.
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Thanks Goldie.. no, not TNA.. though I did screenshot the reference there at the same time. I think that might refer to the same document but as you say, no transcription.
It’s so odd.. I would normally annotate a screenshot like that. Occasionally if it’s everywhere and easily found maybe not. But I have spent hours today looking for it.. so clearly not easily found. So annoying.. and bad practice!
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I can’t help with the document beyond suggesting it could be at Lancashire Archives, or held at Sefton Local Studies at Crosby Library or possibly at Liverpool Archives.
Find a grave has a separate section for the Memorials from Southport Congregational Church. They haven’t photographed them all yet. If you have definite people you want to find I live nearby and provided I can find the right area in the cemetery I’m happy to walk up there on a fine day and photograph the grave stone.
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That’s weird.. I replied earlier but just noticed an error message and the post isn’t here.
Thank you, if you happen to be walking in that direction one day I would appreciate it if you have time to take a look.
I might have a few Barton ancestors there, though it’s a bit of a guess. In particular Henry Barton who died 1882 aged about 58/60, and his wife Nancy died 1873.
Jane
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I’ll see what I can do. I see that they married at Christ Church in Southport and had some children baptised at Christ Church and some at Holy Trinity Southport. Presumably they moved to the Congregational Church in their later years if they were buried there.
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Hi Gibel
Yes, that's right, though I have not found baptisms for all the children. There is no indication of non conformism in this family. Hence my saying I am not sure they were buried in the Congregational Church. But they have to have been buried somewhere, and I cannot find a burial record in any of the burial registers for the established church.
When I came across the list of burials at the Congregational Chapel, with several Barton names, it made be wonder.. could they have embraced an NC faith? We don't know what our ancestors thought.. annoyingly!
The list unfortunately records year of removal of the grave, not age/year of burial. So the Bartons on the list could be earlier than 'my' Henry Barton.
Jane
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Lancashire OPC has
Nancy Barton buried 13 May 1873 at St Cuthbert, Churchtown.
Age 52
Abode Little London
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
They also have
Henry Barton buried 22 July 1882 at Holy Trinity.
Age 54
Abode Southport
Image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SGQ-V6W
Age on death/burial, if the right Henry, is out a bit from the census.
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So this would fit with a possible Civil Registration death index I saved.. I thought it might be them.. I am rather shame faced that I didn’t find the burials! I think you’re right. Based on registration that is very likely.
I’ve been looking for those burials on and off for a while so thank you. Will revise my search techniques. I do use Lancs OPC but I might not have done a ‘search whole county’ which I just did, and confirmed your information.
Thanks again.. so they were not in the Congregational church.. I wonder if those Bartons are related.? there are several in the list I found.
Jane
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I think you need to get the death certificates to confirm these are your family members. Little London was the name given to the area around Haweside where the Barton’s were living. Nancy’s family was from Churchtown I think her father was Cuthbert Ball so perhaps she was buried with family members. When the weather’s better I’ll drive up to St Cuthbert’s church and wander around the gravestones. It’s too far to walk from home there.
It seems strange that the couple are not buried in the same churchyard. Holy Trinity burials/gravestones were also moved at some point to Duke Street cemetery. Perhaps Henry has family members buried there.
They are certainly spread about their first Sarah Ellen was baptised at Christ Church on 20 October 1849 and buried there on May 20 1850. Christ Church burials were also moved to Duke St cemetery.
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Hi Gibel.. yes, you make a good point but I know this is my family. Sarah Ellen Barton (married Dennison) was my great grandmother. I have her baptism, daughter of Henry and Nancy. Sarah Ellen’s daughter Lucy Dennison, is my grandmother.
I have BMD certificates for Lucy and marriage certificate for Sarah Ellen Barton and Michael Dennison. The earlier Sarah Ellen you found may be a child that died or a child born to another couple (there is a Henry and Mary Barton.. I need to double check that.)
The problem has been the burials.
Jonw65 messaged me earlier to say he had found burials for Henry and Nancy. They fit the other data I have for them. Henry buried aged 54 22 Jul 1882. Census data has him born c1824, so 4 year difference, but that is not unusual.
Nancy was buried 13 MY 1873 at St. Cuthbert’s, aged 52 of Little London. That fits her profile too.
Can’t believe I couldn’t find them.. I’ve looked for two/three years on and off. So the Congregational Church burials of Barton are not this family, though it may be earlier Bartons.
I still can’t find a burial for Sarah Ellen. There is a civil reg for 1919 which fits. Her husband Michael deserted her around 1900 leaving her with several children. He disappeared completely. In 1901 and 1911 Census she is recorded as a Widow. Perhaps she was by then. But no burial.
Lucy Dennison married James Robinson. They are both buried in Duke Street. Possibly Sarah Ellen is there too. But I can’t find her.
So thank you for offering your help.. I was on the wrong track. I really appreciate your input.
Jane.
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Hi
Sarah Ellen Dennison was buried at Duke Street, 17 Feb 1919. Age 68
On FamilySearch if registered and logged in (two images)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-S9SD-N
An index gives more references for the grave of Sarah Ellen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99Q1-3HC
But I cannot find a graves register including folio 798 on FS :(
All the films for Duke Street, the burial registers are not all listed in date order
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1910607
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I’ll wander up to the cemetery and have a look for a gravestone one day. I can see it’s in Section 5.
I’m impressed that jonw65 can understand the Duke Street films on family search I find them baffling!
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Thank you Gibel, I wish I could understand them as well as it appears I do!
Success with a graves register for Sarah Ellen, stumbled upon it.
Seems to be section 15 grave 544
Stone headstone Kerbstone 2 inscriptions. Date of erection 1946
After Sarah is Thomas Henry Dennison, 24 Aug 1926, age 50.
Then Lilian Harris, then a couple called Firth.
Whose names might be on what I don't know.
Grave owner(s) names are redacted.
Two images, those buried in the grave are on the second one.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897M-4JVP
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Wow.. thanks jonw65.. I looked for that yesterday, and just had another look on Find A Grave directly. She doesn’t come up.. I swear search engines have gremlins in them!
That is great. Much appreciated.
Jane
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Hi
Sarah Ellen Dennison was buried at Duke Street, 17 Feb 1919. Age 68
On FamilySearch if registered and logged in (two images)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-S9SD-N
Did you scroll through the burial images for that? That is really kind of you. I’ve tried finding the image myself and it is jolly difficult.. as you say, they aren’t all in date order.
I didn’t even know Duke Street burials were in there.
Also, the burial register gives her address which is lovely as I now know she was living with her daughter Lucy. That address is where my father was born. It also says she is Widow of John Michael Dennison. All other records for him are only for Michael. Interesting. It might help me find him.
ThNk you again
Jane
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Seems to be section 15 grave 544
Stone headstone Kerbstone 2 inscriptions. Date of erection 1946
After Sarah is Thomas Henry Dennison, 24 Aug 1926, age 50.
Then Lilian Harris, then a couple called Firth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897M-4JVP
You get a gold star! That’s amazing.. you have found me half a dozen family burials. After Sarah, those other names are her children.. Thomas Henry 1875-1925, Maria Ellen 1887-1962 married Sydney Firth, and Lilian (born Lily) 1879-1969, married Slender Harris.
My grandmother Lucy may have owned the grave. It’s the sort of thing she would have done. Her married name was Robinson. But it could have been any of the family I guess. I could write to the cemetery now I have some information .. thank you, thank you.
Jane
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The next sunny day I will go and take a photo of the gravestone for you. It’s very grey today!
Find a grave definitely hasn’t got photos of all the graves in Duke St. I have a number of relatives buried there with gravestones and none show on FAG website.
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Thank you so much. That would be great Yes, grey and miserable here too (Devon.) Good day for doing some family history.
Yes, you're right about FAG. I think it depends on people adding individuals and extended family them. Though some I see look as though an enthusiastic local person has gone around particular burial grounds and added images. Obviously the luck of the draw.
Jane
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Hi
Yes, we have to find the burials ourselves. The indexes will help, and seem to be necessary for locating the correct graves registers. I do think the indexes might be confusing in the way the years are marked out. Initially I must have looked for Sarah in the wrong year, but couldn't find her anywhere else, so went back to Duke Street and tried again.
They also have Birkdale Cemetery ( Liverpool Road), but apparently with no indexes. So we have to just click on a camera icon and jump in somewhere on the film, find the right quarter/year and trawl through in hope.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1910610
So glad you now have the missing burials! And what a kind offer from Gibel, hopefully the family grave will be located.
John
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Thank you. You have both been a great help. I must have searched FS so many times I can't count. Never have I found those registers for Duke Street. I didn't know they were online. But the Index never came up either in a Search.
My search method at FS is to put name and where appropriate dob/dod/marriage into the search box. I'm guessing that method will not bring up everything that is in the catalogue. So would I do a 'search catalogue' ? Sometimes it baffles me trying to work out what search terms will work and where to look!
Jane
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I've just been searching through the catalog for Southport. I didn't find an Index to Duke Street, only references to microfilm available at a FHS..
But I found an entry for the Congregational Chapel, which was the topic that started this thread. Again, no image, but thought I'd include the link in case anyone else is looking. I have obviously found the image at some point but not here I think.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/628042?availability=Family%20History%20Library
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Hi again Johnw65.
I wonder if you would mind giving a little more advice on the burial/grave registers at Duke Street? I am looking for the grave details for John Robinson d26 Jun 1899, his father William Robinson, died the same day, and Frederick Rigby, also died the same day. John is my ggf, William my 2xggf and Frederick is a cousin. They all died at the end of Southport pier whilst lowering a lifeboat. There is a memorial in the cemetery but I've never worked out where they were actually buried. I have now found them all on the same page in the burial register; page No. 83, with a hand written 785 next to it. I don't know what that means.
John has grave no. 264 and William 3813. I can't locate them by grave number. I need the Grave Register folio number. I've tried the Grave Index. Grave No. 264 has folio 290/2619. Folio 290 is Vol.3a 1879-1970. But when I go to that volume, there are no grave register folio numbers. So I am very confused!
I wondered if the '785' from the burial register might be the grave register folio. But there is no 785. There may be a Vol. 5a that is missing. There is a gap between 723-874.
If you can help that would be great. But I could email the Southport Crem.
Jane
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If you can get the grave number I’ll look for gravestones/memorials for them as well. It’ll probably be sometime next week when it stops raining!
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Hi Gibel,
Thanks, John Robinson is grave number 264, and his father William is 3813. Frederick is 315. But I don’t know what Section those are in, except all are in unconsecrated ground. I have no idea why, but I’m guessing no one had any money to bury them any other way. I know that a collection was made for the Widows and children.
I need the details from the grave registers, but I am completely flummoxed on how to find them. The Index doesn’t seem to bear any resemblance to the registers. So frustrating. When I eventually sort this out I should make sure to write myself a guide for future reference!
Jane
PS.. just remembered .. the Memorial is not to them. That is for the earlier lifeboat disaster when the Mexico had to be rescued. Most of the crew of the Eliza Fernley were lost. They were also cousins of various degrees. I’m amazed any of my ancestors from then survived to leave descendants!
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I’ve found a plan of the cemetery and I really need a section number to be in the right area to look for the grave. From previous experiences grave numbers aren’t always easy to find. I’ll see what I can do. It’ll be after it’s stopped raining!
Do you know the name of the lifeboat? I think it would be either the Mary Anna or Edith Annie. If it’s the first I have a photo of it.
When our libraries reopen I might be able to get more info and/or photos. Mind you that’ll be at least Easter I reckon. I’ll also be able to get the reports from the Southport Visiter if you’d like.
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Hi
I am struggling a bit with the graves registers this morning, but the section numbers seem to be given in the indexes at the top of the list on FamilySearch
So we need
Burial index, surnames Q-W, 1b, 1866-1938
DGS 5891583
And the three gentlemen are on there here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9Q1-79YK
For William Robinson I think it says section K
For John Robinson and Frederick Rigby, both section 5
Then gives number and folio in the register of graves and register of purchased graves.
I'll see if I can find more
John
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For John Robinson in the register of graves, it says number 264 folio 497
So we go to
Grave register, folio 479-628, v. 4a, ca. 1898-1991
DGS 5891958
Folio 497 is there, handwritten number
Grave number 264 is the first one
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G97M-WP6C
Confirms in section 5
John Robinson and Eliza Ann Robinson are buried in the same grave
Three people called Monk, and a Frederick Capper.
It also gives the number in the register of purchased graves, 5546, as per the index.
According to the index Frederick Rigby was on folio 496 in the graves register, number 315.
And sure enough he is on the previous image (38) on FamilySearch, second from bottom.
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For William Robinson the index says folio 182 in the graves register, number 3813
So we want
Grave register, folio 127-224, v. 2, ca. 1872-1964
DGS 5891955
Here he is, third one down on image 111, buried with three other Robinsons. Dates of burial, and number and folio in the burial registers are given.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-W6K6
Do we think the section is K?
John
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You are totally brilliant! I have been trying to work out how to use those Registers for the last day and a half!
Eliza Ann Robinson (née Howard) is John's wife. Monk is the married surname of a grand daughter of John. He was killed WW1 I think. No sure who Capper is but I'll soon find out.. I'm good at that side!
I still can't work out how you found that.. I found the Grave Register with number 264 but I can't see a Folio No.?
I'll follow all your leads and see if I can reproduce it.
Thank you so much.
Jane
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I would say yes, it's K. Not H which was my other though. Not sure what the one above William is for surname Roberts.. N maybe. Handwriting adds another layer of difficulty.
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Gibel.. well done on finding the burial ground plan.
I think the name of the boat was 'The Three Brothers'. I think the Edith Annie replace that one, and Mary Anna came next. William was Coxswain until his death.
I have a photo of the Mary Anna. William is the one standing fourth from the left as you look at it.. with the different cap. Next to him is Henry Robinson, the ? Jackson, they both survived the early disaster. John Robinson I think is the one standing far left.
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Johnw65..
So I found the Grave Register yesterday p83 - 785, No. 264. But on that page I couldn't find a Folio Number.
Is this the same page you found
John is second from the bottom and you have to go to the next image for the grave number. But no Folio?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97M-W6K6
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Right I’m all organised I just need a fine day for tramping round the cemetery.
Years ago when I first met my father’s cousin he showed me a photo of a gravestone in Duke St Cemetery but he didn’t know whereabouts the gravestone was. Went to the cemetery and lined up the chimneys with those in the street running parallel and then quartered the area until I found it!
Your graves will be easier as I know the area to look in.
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That is funny..! I had something similar .. a photo but not even the name of a cemetery. I looked at images online of all the possible graveyards, and found one with the same background. that was London so quite easy -- luckily they were buried on the edge by railings with distinct buildings behind.
Thank you.
Rotten weather here too..
I've just emailed a family member who lives nearby.. so they might go.. family history not really their thing.. they think I'm mad!
Jane
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Hi Jane
Yes it seems to be the same image
Folio 182 is top left
I would imagine those graves registers are laid out in order of use/purchase. So without a key it would be very difficult to find a person, unless you know for sure who was buried first. They seem to have handwritten the folio numbers in themselves.
Those index films are what you need to find someone in the graves registers.
They also act as a short cut to the burial registers, though they are not strictly necessary for them.
As to the registers of purchased graves, are they complete on there? I think that is where we probably found your first one (with there possibly being a missing grave register?)
Good luck to Gibel on your hunt!
John
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Hi John
I’m confusing myself now.. sent you a link to one you sent me!
The one I found yesterday just had name and grave number.. so it says John Robinson is grave number 264.. but no Folio number, unless I’m going blind.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997M-79M1-8?cat=1910607
I think the folio number is key to finding the correct entry in the Register which lists all occupants of a grave. That appears to be called the Burial and Grave Register!
As you say, unless you know the date of the first burial, it would be very difficult to find.
Works brilliantly when you know where to look.. I’m still going through it all very carefully.
Jane
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By the way. I have one headstone photo of my grandfather’s grave.. (James, son of John Robinson) it’s on FindAGrave.. but your help with the Registers means that I discovered in fact there are three people in the grave; my grandmother Lucy and their daughter Nell. But there is no inscription on the headstone.. so I would never have known where to find them if I hadn’t found these Registers...with a lot of help.
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Hi again John.. sorry a lot of messages.
I think I’ve sorted it.. I found a page with grave numbers but without the burial index page (Q-W 1b 1866-1938) the one I had was no good. So I had the process muddled up.. but I think it is clear now. I hope.
Gosh.. quite hard work isn’t it!
Jane
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Hi Jane
Yes the burial register gives the grave number (and whether in consecrated ground or not), but as far as I can tell there is nothing else to help find where exactly a person is buried. No section given.
And the graves registers appear not to be arranged by section or grave number. So the only way is to find the entry on one of the six burial index films. This will give the all important folio number for the graves registers.
It took me a while to get used to how it works, and I have looked at a lot of these kind of records on FamilySearch.
Anyway, you will be busy for a while with all those burials!
John
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I’m quite happy to go it’s about a 20 minute walk from my home. If your relations go please let me know otherwise I’ll be in touch when I’ve been to find the graves. Hopefully, weather permitting it’ll be over the weekend.
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Certainly will be busy John.. I am dizzy.
I hope I can improve at using these Registers. We have hundreds of family members in Southport. The early ones are at St. Cutbert's, like everybody else's I guess. But these Duke Street registers are an eye opener.
Jane
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Hi Gibel
Yes.. I'll let you know. I lived with my grandmother in Southport for a few months when I was a child. And walked to School through the cemetery. I always loved it, it was so peaceful. But I remember almost nothing about it. Except being there for her burial in 1975.. which was rather depressing!
Jane
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There is / used to be a North Meols (Southport) Family History Society that you could consult online - in fact I think we (Jane and I ) may have had a correspondence on here about it vanishing, then re-appearing, but being inaccessible - sounds the sort of thing they may have good access to records on?
TY
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Hi TY
Yes.. we did have quite a conversation about that.. the group is still active I believe, obviously not just now withincurrent constraints , but the website is not working? Think some of the volunteers have had to give up.
I was in touch with one of the officers and she said that the help desk in the Atkinson is still going.. again.. not at the moment.
John (above) has been really helpful, as has Gibel.. regarding the Duke Street Cemetery records online with FamilySearch. It would be great to have more information about those. Since finding the Registers (with John’s help) I have been using them a lot. But there seem to be registers missing. I’d love to know if they are missing completely, or just not filmed.
Some entries in the burial registers can’t be found in the grave registers and vice versa. I have questions about that.
Also, there is reference in the grave registers to a register of purchased graves with details of grave owner. Are we able to access those registers I wonder.
I have emailed Sefton Council to ask, but haven’t had a reply. Finding any contact information on their website is a challenge.
For North Meols families those Duke Street burials are a great resource, but not easy to use.
Jane
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Weather permitting I can go to the cemetery this week, probably Wednesday, if you’d like me too.
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Hi Gibel
Thank you so much for offering. A cousin went up the other day and found William Robinson (d1899) in Section K with first wife Jane .. he was the lifeboat service drowning.
Sadly, his son John, also drowned 1899, though buried with his daughter Mary (married Monk) is not marked on the gravestone. That is section 5.
They didn’t find Frederick Rigby. I’ll have to go back to my records to see where he was.
Jane
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Ok .. so he is section 5, buried with Alice Rigby, a Nicholas Johnson and two Cairns.
Wish I lived near enough to wander around! I spent half a day at St. Cuthbert’s once, but mostly those headstones are too worn to read.
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I’ll look for Frederick this week when it stops raining.
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Thank you! Yes.. horrible here too.. I’ve spent the day researching what happened to Frederick’s widow, Isabell Robinson. I couldn’t find a burial for her. Turns out she remarried a Nicholas Johnson, who died in 1914 and is buried with Frederick.. that’s fun for them.
She emigrated to Canada with her daughter also Isabella, and died there in 1942 aged 84.
If you have any Devon relatives, let me know.. I know the records here quite well.
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In case anyone else comes across this thread I am posting an answer to my original question about exhumations at Eastbank Street/Chapel Street Congregational Chapel, Southport. I finally discovered where I found the list of exhumations. They are online at FindMyPast, buried deep in their catalogue. Never to be found by Parish as they have indexed these records with the Church name as the Parish!
I finally found it using the browse facility, Burials>Lancashire>Browse, then scrolled until I came across this.
Oops .. that should read re-interments
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That’s interesting to know. I wonder if they have the list of exhumations for Christ Church and Holy Trinity also in Southport. I will look later.
Not yet made it to the cemetery, once it stopped raining it became and still is freezing cold so I didn’t venture out until yesterday. Hopefully I’ll make it in the next few days.
I’ve failed at the first hurdle where’s the Browse facility on FindMyPast?
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Hi Gibel.
Totally with you on the cold.. I have never known it this cold in Devon.. the bird bath has been frozen solid for days and was -9C with wind chill yesterday. I haven't been out either except to feed the birds.
I've found another way to get to the set in which these odd records are kept. Go to all Record Sets, Type 'Burials' into the top box, filter by England, Lancashire. That brings up 15 record sets. Scroll down and you will see next to last entry 'England & Wales, Closed Cemeteries Burials & Re-Interments'
But you would normally use the 'Browse' facility by going to 'All record sets, then type in the name of a County, eg 'Lancashshire'. That brings up 12 record sets. The top three are Lancashire Banns & Marriages, Lancashire Baptisms, Lancashire Burials. I always use this way of getting to the Parish I want if I am looking for a baptism, burial or marriage and I roughly know the date. But, sometimes, I just want to browse through the Registers of a Parish. Scroll down a bit and you will see, fourth one down, 'Lancashire Parish Registers Browse'. I usually leave the year and register type blank, then put in a parish name.. eg North Meols, St Cuthbert. If you start typing, FindMyPast finds the exact set. Select it, the you will see 'View 22 Results' Those are all the Registers for North Meols that FindMyPast hold.
Hope that helps.
Jane
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I went out with an ancient Fireman's axe ( the axe, not the fireman, being ancient - he's been dead quite a while ) - and hacked at the thick ice on the one of my garden ponds that has a pumped constant flow, because it was very nearly iced up! Broke through with the pointy end, and shifted /levered/ pushed lumps of ice under or on top of others bite, to free more area up.
Judging by the birdie foot-prints of all shapes and sizes, there are a lot of birds quite pleased at my actions.
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Probably warmed you up!
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Yes. The cats, watching from the conservatory windows, were very interested. Before I started there were birds jostling, trying to drink, so I suspect not many other flowing water sources nearby. When it'd settled down after my antics, there were many more birds gathering there. Good deed for the day, I think?
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I made it to the cemetery but didn’t manage to look at all the section. It was freezing cold with wind blowing from the Moss. I gave up and came home again! I had lots of layers on but the wind went straight through! I’ll try again next week.
I’ve found the reinterments for Chapel Street, thank you.
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No rush.. the gravestones aren’t going anywhere.. we hope.
Freezing here too.. was snowing earlier. Definitely the time Tom stay home and warm!
I’ve found a lot of burial registers for Liverpool online now.. my Mum had family there for a while. So after being introduced to the Southport ones, I went looking. Quite a few online. So found a few more ancestors burials.
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The temperature is supposed to be rising later in the week so I’ll try again then.
Its even tried snowing here but didn’t get anywhere. 20 years ago I was living 750 feet up on the Pennines in South Yorkshire and there we had snow loads of it. In a funny way I miss it.
Ancestry is good for Liverpool. Lots of cemeteries on there as well. family search also has lots of cemetery registers for Liverpool, Wirral and Sefton. They’re not indexed so you scan through a lot to find who you want.
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This site is good too..
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~ormandy/folklore/index.html
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Just discovered that I never made it back to Duke St Cemetery as I’d promised. I’m very sorry and can only blame it on far to many hospital appointments taking over my life. If you still want me to try and find some gravestones just post the details and I’ll try again.