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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: goldie61 on Monday 18 January 21 09:20 GMT (UK)
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I was browsing and came across a book published by the Scottish Record Society “The Commissariot record of Glasgow 1547 - 1800”. It lists testaments etc.
National Recods of Scotland say these are available on scotlandspeople.
However, there are some in the book for which there is no date, and these don’t seem to show up on SP.
Attached is a clip from the book showing ‘John Cochrane parochinar of Strathavene. II 46.’
Also attached a clip from the introductory pages of the meaning of II.
Well, a part explanation. There’s nothing to say where these 'folios' fit in with all the volumes of testaments. I can’t work out when this volume II would have been to even get a very rough date for it. (I'm presuming it's volume 2 and not 11, but I don't know).
Does anybody have any ideas about this, or is my only recourse to contact NRS.
I expect they are closed at the moment. Does that mean they are not replying to emails?
(Sorry, on the other side of the world here, so not up with everything that’s happening in the UK offices).
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Would this be the one:
Cochrane
Johnne
3/8/1629
in Strathaven, parish of Avendale
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Glasgow Commissary Court
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They are under 'Legal records' with the heading 'Wills and testaments' which are at the bottom of the page below census records on left side.
After you click on 'Wills and testaments' there's a drop down list 'Court/Commissariot' which houses 'Glasgow Commissary Court'.
Hope this helps?
Annie
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I assumed that goldie had looked there from what was said.
I thought I'd given the source in my reply but it seems I didn't. I shall add it :)
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It looks as though it's only the ones with dates which have been indexed.
Annie
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It could be that the text didn't show the dates. The rest of the entry matches. Maybe the SP people did a more thorough examination of the testament.
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Here's a snip of the first paragraph. I can't make much out as theirs an imprint of previous/next page showing but someone might be able to work it out.
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Gadget,
I'd assume there was no dates showing as I came across a similar list a while ago with dates missing & the ones with dates were on SP.
Those old docs. are something else, I call them 'splash painting' works as I can't read them unless the odd word here & there ;D
Annie
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I've pmed Bookbox to see if she can read the paragraph. It might give clues. Often there can be two parts.
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I'm not saying it is, only that it might be.
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I think it's the right item, but better to wait for GR2 for a transcription.
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Thank you, BB :)
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The Testament Testamentar and Inventar
of ye guds geir debts & sowmes of money quhilk pertenit
to umquhile Johnne Cochrane in Strahaven in
ye parochin of Avindaill ye tyme of his deceis
Quha deceisit In the moneth of September 1628 zeirs
ffaithfullie maid & gevin up be his
As it is a testament testamentar it will include a will, not just an inventory.
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Thanks, GR.This was just the first para. There are 4 pages.
If anyone wants to see it, PM me with and email address.
Gadget
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Many thanks for all your replies, and the clipping and transcription.
If you go back to the original clipping I posted, you can see that there are 2 very similar entries.
This one found for 1629 - John Cochrane in Strahaven , par of Evindall', is on the list 4 entries further down from the one 'John Cochrane parochinar of Strathavene II 46'.
It seems to me they would be 2 different people, or they would not be separately listed.
There were scores of Cochranes around Strathaven, many of them called John unfortunately!
So back to my original puzzle.
Does anybody have any clue to these 'folios' and Volumes, or is my best bet to contact NRS if and when they might be open again?
Thanks for all your time
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The one that I found was an inventory and a testament combined. The date of the inventory is included in the text rather than a heading or marginal entry. I've not read the testament but it could be that that is not dated in this entry.
Just a thought but some of mine don't have separate dates.
Gadget
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Thank Gadget.
Food for thought.
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It is basically what it says. If an entry is in Volume 2, folio 5 it will be found on page 5 of volume 2
To find an entry you would normally just go to the book with the right covering date and find it in the volume using the index date as they were recorded in date order. So if no registration dates were recorded in volume 2, the page number is needed to find it.
Alb
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Thanks Alb.
So with no date, it doesn't seem to have made it onto scotlandspeople.
I had a look on familysearch, and came to pretty much the same conclusion as you.
They seem to have scores of films of the Glasgow Commissariot Court, but locked.
The second film they list I'm hoping will equate to the second 'volume' given in the book of transcribed indexes I found, where the one of John Cochrane 'Volume II 46' is.
By the look of it, film 2 is back in 1563 - 1565.
Now all I have to do is get to a Latter Day saints centre to look at the film!