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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: seasider on Sunday 17 January 21 11:21 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking at the marriage between James Beasley and Catherine Threllfall in Ormskirk 26/11/1771. I am wondering which Parish James Beasley is from. I can't read it on the Banns. Would anyone have a clearer record?
Many thanks
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The image on FamilySearch says Aughton.
GenUKI says:
There are at least 2 Aughtons in Lancashire. There is the one near Ormskirk and there is another near Halton, Lancaster.
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Thrlfall surname very common in Ormskirk/Southport and surrounding areas. Variants in spelling.
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Thank you, can you see any children born to this couple?
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There are at least the following 4 possibilities showing up on Lancs On Line Parish Clerks site (a free site for Lancs Parish Records).
Baptism: 20 Aug 1775 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
James Beesley - Son of James Beesley & Catharine
Abode: Lath[om]
Register: Baptisms 1771 - 1794, Page 19, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 1849663
Baptism: 11 Jan 1778 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Beesley - Son of James Beesley & Catharine
Abode: Orms[kirk]
Register: Baptisms 1771 - 1794, Page 30, Entry 33
Source: LDS Film 1849663
Baptism: 9 Feb 1781 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Jno Beesley - Son of Jas Beesley & Catharine
Abode: Orms[kirk]
Register: Baptisms 1771 - 1794, Page 45, Entry 18
Source: LDS Film 1849663
Baptism: 15 Apr 1785 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Michael Beesley - Son of James Beesley & Catharine
Abode: Orms[kirk]
Register: Baptisms 1771 - 1794, Page 66, Entry 21
Source: LDS Film 1849663
You would think there would be others actually and there may well be!
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My apologies if you already know this but Catherine may have died in 1810
Burial: 3 Feb 1810 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Catherine Beesley - Wife of James Beesley
Abode: Lath[om]
Register: Burials 1794 - 1812, Page 52, Entry 21
Source: LDS Film 1849663
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Thank you for these. My 5th Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Beasley but I'm wondering if she was Baptised outside the Parish.
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Do you have her on census records please with an approximate birth year and place of birth?
Also --- do you mean that Elizabeth was the daughter of James - perhaps from a marriage record?
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What I have so far is that Elizabeth Beasley married John Tuson in Bristol 4th June 1798. She is on the 1841 census for Berkshire piece 33 book7 folio5 page 4
It says she was born out of the county abt.1781
I have her parents as Catherine Threlfall and James Beasley married 1771 in Ormskirk also their deaths in Ormskirk. Several others on Ancestry have also followed this line with the same information but no baptism for Elizabeth either.
This has led me to look for her Baptism in Lancashire.
Elizabeth was a midwife and I picked her up in 1830 in Piggots directory as a midwife. I wondered if she left Ormskirk for midwifery? She died in 1848 so not on further census.
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On the 1841 census ages of people over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, (or should have been) so Elizabeth could have been born between 1777 and 1781.
However if the information regarding her birth has come from other family trees, without any supporting evidence - I wouldn't necessarily trust them! It's a bit of a leap from a marriage in Bristol to a birth in Lancashire.
Do you have the names of the children born to John Tuson and Elizabeth Beasley by any chance? Sometimes the eldest daughter is named after the mother's mother -- which MAY
help in a 'blanket' search for the baptism of Elizabeth between approximately 1777 and 1781.
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I have John and Elizabeth's children as Martha born 1817 John 1819 Daniel 1822 and Joseph 1826. Martha was my 2nd Gr. Grandmother. Thinking about it there surely must have been other children as 1817 for the first is a long way after the marriage in 1798.
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Yes - I agree it is very late to start having children after a marriage.
I have found a Charlotte Tuson born in 1810 to a John Tuson and Elizabeth 'Basely' in Great Yarmouth! (Family Search). With the mother's surname of 'Basely' - that could be a variant of Beasley.
With both Bristol and now possibly Great Yarmouth coming into it -- was John a Mariner or a Seafarer maybe? His occupation is not shown on the marriage nor on this particular baptism for Charlotte (which is also on Find My Past as a filmed Parish Record). He is not on the 1841 census - but may have died by then.
Where is Hercule Poirot when you need him!
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Many thanks for this, it's most interesting and sounds as though it's them. I don't have John Tuson's occupation as he had died by 1841. Elizabeth is in Newbury in 1841 living with Joseph Tuson age 15 who I have taken to be her son? I am going to add Charlotte to my tree and see what else transpires.
Great work!
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Don't forget that Joseph's age may have been rounded DOWN to 15. He could be between 15 and 19.
The enumerators in 1841 SHOULD have rounded down the age of everyone 16 and over to the nearest 5 years. Only the age of children under 15 should be shown correctly as their age on their last birthday.
(Sometimes Enumerators forgot this rule -- but you can tell when they did as the ages of adults should all end in a 5 or a 0 -- if they didn't - then the age shown was age last birthday and the Enumerator had forgotten the rule, This only applied to the 1841 census).
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Yes, I found Joseph on a later census and there's 2 years difference, born 1824.
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There is a Baptism for EllenTuson, parents John and Elizabeth Tuson, 28th Aug 1812. This means they were in Lancashire. All the areas they are connected too have ports, so maybe it was John's occupation where they met.
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This is SO weird.
The baptism you have found in 1812 is in Lancaster -- which is nowhere near the Ormskirk area. Again - the father's occupation is not given.
Lancaster is not on the coast either, so my previous thought that John may be a mariner following possible events in Bristol and Great Yarmouth doesn't fit in with this location.
I am completely stuck I'm afraid. I just cannot understand these locations for someone seemingly born in the Ormskirk area - then marrying in Bristol - having no children for several years - then travelling to other places including Lancaster.
Maybe follow each supposed child through marriage and census to see if anything helps.
I did see 2 burial records for a John Tuson in Newbury - where Elizabeth then was.
One died 1843 - birth year given as 1752 (so he should be on 1841 census)
One died 1831 - birth year given as 1782 (which - if it is your John Tuson, would mean he was only about 16 when he married)
Elizabeth's burial in 1848 gives her a birth year of 1774!
It's a real mystery at the moment and maybe we just don't have the correct Elizabeth.
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Lancaster may not be "on the coast" now, but was a major port in the period concerned. As the Lune silted up, it was out-competed by Liverpool.
Tuson is another name common in Lancashire.
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Thank you for that Andrew -- I am ashamed! I come from Lancashire and didn't know Lancaster had been a port!
In that case it does make it likely that John Tuson was a mariner.
Funnily enough Ormskirk and District do have a Boat People website! Many inhabitants of townships around there were Boatmen (including a couple of my own) -- but they travelled the rivers I think, probably into and out of Liverpool.
http://www.boatfamilies.website/
Maybe Elizabeth's family were Boat people also!
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Thank you for looking. I may have to go back to the drawing board on this one, it's proving difficult.
I thought that John Tuson may have had a job travelling, which was connected to the docks like commercial trading. It's a shame that I can't find his proffesion. I would have sent for the death certificate but it was in 1831.
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It's certainly a difficult one for you. Maybe he originated from Lancashire -- there are some - although not in the immediate area of Ormskirk.
Chorley and Penwortham are not that far away, but again it would be a guess.
Alternatively have you checked for Elizabeth's with a surname something like Beasley born in the south of England who married nearer to the time the couple's first child was born? At that time -it was generally the bride's parish where a marriage took place.
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Hi tracing my Wife's family in the Aughton/ Ormskirk area, I found a marriage from 1830 in Wigan.
The name Tellfay had, over the years subsequently become Trellfall. The children of the marriage when drawn up by the G.R.O. had said the Mother's maiden name was Trellfall!
Tellfay was an Huguenot name of people who had settle in the area after persecution in France.
back2back
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Hi Lancaster is the name given to parishes in the area north of Liverpool the West Derby hundreds. It includes Ormskirk, Aughton, Upholland, Downholland, Latham, Hallsall Walton on the Hill.
I know Lancaster is by Heysham!
Ormskirk was the administrative part.
back2back
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Hi back2back -- just to say Lancaster wasn't the name of parishes (except for Lancaster itself) - however, on old records it is often shown as the County in which that parish fell-- although the county was actually 'Lancashire'.