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Clara Hall was born Salford 28th October 1913.All I know was her mothers maiden name was Burgess.
I am aware that Clara had a brother (William) known as Bill,also a sister who was known as Nessie.
One of the problems is that they all had different surnames.
Their mother was a theatrical landlady living in Irlam of Height,Salford in the 1960s.
Clara married Arthur Morris in Salford 1932.In the 1939 reg.they lived in Lewis St Eccles with 2 sons.
I have info of the Morris family back to 1841c but cannot get any further back on Clara's family which I need.
Any help is appreciated.
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Her father’s name should be on the birth cert, I think:
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
Jamjar
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Her father’s name should be on the birth cert, I think:
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
Jamjar
Thank you for this Jamjar.I live abroad & cannot afford to purchase certs any longer.
There are also problems with the postal system at the moment due to the pandemic.i have noted the GRO ref:etc which you have sent me: Thank you
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Sep 1907 Salford 8d 69
HALL Joseph
BURGESS Louisa Caroline
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49Z-B16
HALL, LOUISA ELEANOR CAROLINE mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 131
HALL, JOSEPH mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 86
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
HALL, AGNES MASTERSON mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 219
Jamjar
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Her father’s name should be on the birth cert, I think:
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
Jamjar
Thank you for this Jamjar.I live abroad & cannot afford to purchase certs any longer.
There are also problems with the postal system at the moment due to the pandemic.i have noted the GRO ref:etc which you have sent me: Thank you
Her father’s name should be on the birth cert, I think:
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
Jamjar
Thank you for this Jamjar.I live abroad & cannot afford to purchase certs any longer.
There are also problems with the postal system at the moment due to the pandemic.i have noted the GRO ref:etc which you have sent me: Thank you
ThaSep 1907 Salford 8d 69
HALL Joseph
BURGESS Louisa Caroline
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49Z-B16
HALL, LOUISA ELEANOR CAROLINE mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 131
HALL, JOSEPH mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 86
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
HALL, AGNES MASTERSON mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 219
Jamjar
Her father’s name should be on the birth cert, I think:
HALL, CLARA mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 292
Jamjar
Thank you for this Jamjar.I live abroad & cannot afford to purchase certs any longer.
There are also problems with the postal system at the moment due to the pandemic.i have noted the GRO ref:etc which you have sent me: Thank you
Sep 1907 Salford 8d 69
HALL Joseph
BURGESS Louisa Caroline
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49Z-B16
HALL, LOUISA ELEANOR CAROLINE mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 131
HALL, JOSEPH mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 86
HALL, AGNES MASTERSON mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 219
Jamjar
Thank you once again,I am so grateful for this. bettyespana
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Following on from Jamjar’s finding of Agnes who may be Nessie, in 1939 one of the name Agnes M Hall (otherwise Murray) with a birthdate of June 1916 is in the theatrical business in Salford.
Sue
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Marriages:
Dec 1928 Halifax 9a 816
O’KEEFE Patrick
HALL Louisa E C
Jun 1949 Salford 10f 1140
GRATRIX James E
HALL/O’KEEFE Louisa E C
Jamjar
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you can order certificates as a pdf, cheaper than paper ones and no posting.
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Following on from Jamjar’s finding of Agnes who may be Nessie, in 1939 one of the name Agnes M Hall (otherwise Murray) with a birthdate of June 1916 is in the theatrical business in Salford.
Sue
Yes, I am sure this is Nessie.I now re-call that Murray was one of Clara's siblings surnames.
I am not sure of the surname of brother William/Bill but he may have had a wife named Amy or Emma.As far as I know they had no children.
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Deaths:
Mar 1956 Salford 10f 715
GRATRIX James E 68
Sep 1960 Salford 10f 415
GRATRIX Louisa E C 52
Sep 1980 Salford 39 723
MURRAY Agnes Masterson 28JUNE1916
Jamjar
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Death
Sep 1980 SALFORD 39 723
MURRAY AGNES MASTERSON 28JUNE1916
Jamjar
Marriages:
Dec 1928 Halifax 9a 816
O’KEEFE Patrick
HALL Louisa E C
Jun 1949 Salford 10f 1140
GATRIX James E
HALL/O’KEEFE Louisa E C
Jamjar
So these marriages are Clara's older sisters.I was not aware that Clara Hall had any other siblings other than Nessie & Bill.However,all this info is wonderful. I was also told that Nessie retired to Wales,I now presume she must have moved back to Salford before she died, bettyespans
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Freebmd has a 1907 marriage in Salford Joseph Hall & Louisa C Burgess
Lancs BMD shows it at St Pauls Pendleton
6.7.1907. Joseph Hall aged 27 Father Thomas Hall
Louisa Caroline Burgess aged 19 father Daniel Burgess
No other info available
PDF copies of her birthcert can be purchased for £7 and no delivery issues as they are downloaded
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Freebmd has a 1907 marriage in Salford Joseph Hall & Louisa C Burgess
Reply #3 Carole.
Can you see the two deaths for the Joseph’s and Louisa?
I can’t see a William born to the couple.
Jamjar
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Louisa can be found on the 1939 register living in Salford & a widow
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Death Louisa C Hall aged 78 Dec qtr 1966 Barton 10b 306
Possible death for Joseph in 1926 on freebmd
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Mar 1881 Salford 8d 30
BURGESS Daniel
NEALE Clara Rosina
Dec 1898 Fylde 8e 1094
CULLEY James
BURGESS Clara Rosina
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-Z9Z8
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9KB-JPR
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYK-NRP
BURGESS, LAURA mmn NEALE died Mar 1886
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 85
BURGESS, LOUISA CAROLINE mmn NEALE
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 103
BURGESS, WILLIAM PERCY mmn NEALE
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 17
Married:
Jun 1917 Salford 8d 49
BURGESS William F (sic)
SALMON Florence
The certificate does not give his father’s name: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L965-ZNSD?i=839
Death:
BURGESS, WILLIAM PERCY 55
GRO Reference: 1951 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 10F Page 450
Jamjar
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Clara Rosina NEALE:
Sep 1856 Bath 5c 1081
NEALE Edward Henry
OWEN Caroline
Dec 1861 Bath 5c 1194
BEAVES Walter
NEALE Caroline
1860, christening, Clara Rosina NEALE: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7NZ-5PP
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NT-2W1
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6W-6JR
Daniel BURGESS:
Jun 1860 Salford 8d 47
BURGESS Robert
JONES Rosannah
Death:
BURGESS, ROSANNAH 63
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 47
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7DG-K4W
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBN8-CS1
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-CHGQ
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9J2-2Y3
BURGESS, DANIEL mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 1
BURGESS, MARY JANE mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 59
BURGESS, HARRIET mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 64
BURGESS, ROBERT mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 10
Jamjar
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Freebmd has a 1907 marriage in Salford Joseph Hall & Louisa C Burgess
Lancs BMD shows it at St Pauls Pendleton
6.7.1907. Joseph Hall aged 27 Father Thomas Hall
Louisa Caroline Burgess aged 19 father Daniel Burgess
No other info available
PDF copies of her birthcert can be purchased for £7 and no delivery issues as they are downloaded
Thank you Carole,I looked on Lancashire O.P R at St Pauls,Pendleton but unfortunately no lists for this date,only later years.Thank you also for the info about certs,recently widowed I am not in a position to purchase same.I really appreciate all your efforts.
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Freebmd has a 1907 marriage in Salford Joseph Hall & Louisa C Burgess
Reply #3 Carole.
Can you see the two deaths for the Joseph’s and Louisa?
I can’t see a William born to the couple.
Jamjar
You have all been working hard into the early hours to find these people for me,thank you.I really cannot think why William can't be found.I do know that in the 1960s he & his wife lived in the Ordsall area of Salford,if that helps.Other than that I am at a loss to help any further with him.kind regards bettyespana
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Clara Rosina NEALE:
Sep 1856 Bath 5c 1081
NEALE Edward Henry
OWEN Caroline
Dec 1861 Bath 5c 1194
BEAVES Walter
NEALE Caroline
1860, christening, Clara Rosina NEALE: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7NZ-5PP
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7NT-2W1
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6W-6JR
Daniel BURGESS:
Jun 1860 Salford 8d 47
BURGESS Robert
JONES Rosannah
Death:
BURGESS, ROSANNAH 63
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 47
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7DG-K4W
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBN8-CS1
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-CHGQ
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9J2-2Y3
BURGESS, DANIEL mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 1
BURGESS, MARY JANE mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 59
BURGESS, HARRIET mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 64
BURGESS, ROBERT mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 10
Jamjar
Wow! Jamjar, You have come up with a lot of info here:Thank you so much bettyespana