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I am trying to find out information about my Great Great Grandmother,Margaret Kiernan/Kearnan
( née Fitzpatrick )
She was born Oct 2 1857/58 in Auburn SA. Her father was John Fitzpatrick. In obituary says she is the sister of the late Thomas Fitzpatrick of Laura and the late M Fitzpatrick of Queensland. That’s all the information I have of her family .
She married Arthur Kiernan/Kearnan in 1879. Had 6 children. Arthur and 5 Chn moved to WA .
I have found a lot of info about Arthur and the children but nothing on Margaret and her parents and siblings. Hope someone can help.
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What is the source of this information?
"...born Oct 2 1857/58 in Auburn SA."
Can you please list all the information on this marriage certificate.
SA BDM
KEIRNAN Arthur marr. Margaret Clare 120/310 1879
Where and when did Margaret die?
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The Express and Telegraph (SA) 5 Aug 1890 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/208389104?
FITZPATRICK.-On the 8th April, accidentally shot, at Paddy's Camp, Thornton River, Queensland,
Matthew, the second dearly-beloved son of J. and M. FITZPATRICK of Auburn, S.A., aged 35 years, and brother of the late Thomas FITZPATRICK, of Laura.
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/
Mathew FITZPATRICK.....died 15/04/1890
Parents Mary SMITH / John FITZPATRICK
Registration details:1890/C/468
The Advertiser 18 Sep 1891 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24802244?
KEARNAN.—On the 31st August, at Callington, of pleurisy, Margaret, the beloved wife of Arthur
KEARNAN and beloved sister of the late Thomas FITZPATRICK, of Laura, and the late M. FITZPATRICK, of Queensland, leaving five children and a large circle of sorrowing relatives and friends to mourn their loss.
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Fr F Kiernan compiled a family history. He has her being born 1858 in Auburn SA. She died Aug 31 1891 ,Callington SA
They were married July 28 1879,Seven Hills Church,Laura SA
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Margaret Fitzpatrick
Birth 2 Oct 1857 Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia
Father: John Fitzpatrick
Mother: Mary Flanningan
Page 235; Volume 13
John Fitzpatrick
Death Date: 27 Feb 1894, Adelaide
Residence& Registration place:: Adelaide
Age: 71 (born abt 1823)
Page 210,Vol. 217
Mary Fitzpatrick
Death Date: 21 Feb1879, Hackham ( born about 1829)
Age 50
Registration place: Morphett Vale,South Australia
Page 123, Vol. 93
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South Australian Advertiser 13 Dec 1877 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/29597343?
FITZPATRICK. —On the 3rd December, at Laura, of inflammation of the lungs, Thomas Fitzpatrick, eldest son of John and Mary Fitzpatrick, of Auburn, aged 23 years. R.I.P.
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The Advertiser 30 Apr 1892 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25326905?
BYRNE.-On the 27th April, at Broken Hill of consumption, Mary, second daughter of John and E.
Byrne, aged 16 Years, and beloved granddaughter of Mrs FITZPATRICK, of Auburn, South Australia
NSW BDM death
3495/1892 BYRNE Mary parents John / Bridget @ Broken Hill
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The Advertiser 29 Mar 1906 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25326905?
FITZPATRICK. - On the 23rd March, at the residence of her daughter (Mrs. J. BYRNE, Clare),
Mary, relict of the late John FITZPATRICK, of Auburn, aged 84. R.I.P. A colonist of 56 years.
W.A. papers please copy.
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Thomas Fitzpatrick
Death: 02 Dec 1877, Laura
Age: 23 (born about 1854)
Registration Place: Clare, South Australia
Page Number 495, Vol 83
Will
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:744Q-3T2M
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Born at district Morpeth Vale, S.A. to father John Fitzpatrick, and Mary Flannagan
Margaret 1857
Honorah 1860
Michael 1862
Katherine 1864
John 1866
Ellen 1869
Added: There is a death for Margaret Fitzpatrick at Morpeth Vale / Hackham in 1876, age 19, father John. So clearly, this is not the correct family.
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Biographical Index of South Australians has not much to add.
Fitzpatrick, John, Residence Adelaide. Religion R.C. married 23/8/1853 Adelaide SA to Mary nee Smith/Smyth. Chn Thomas (1854) Matthew (1855) Mgt (1857)
Sue
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I wonder if the 1853 marriage record will give you any more info?
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/index.php?option=com_gsa&view=gsa&layout=essearch&collection_id=church-marriage&page_no=1&Surname=Smyth&GivenName=Mary&year_from=1853&accuracy=
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Death of John Fitzpatrick of Auburn 23 May 1900 at age 84.
In the colony 55 years.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/36958476?searchTerm=“John%20fitzpatrick”%20AND%20Auburn
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There is a ship Marion arriving Feb 1849 in Adelaide from Plymouth. There is a John Fitzpatrick listed as one of the emigrants onboard.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71623094?searchTerm=“John%20fitzpatrick”
EDIT : probably not him- age 16
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QLD BDM
Mathew FITZPATRICK.....died 15/04/1890
Parents Mary SMITH / John FITZPATRICK
Registration details:1890/C/468
Using BDM QLD and searching FITZPATRICK births with Mat(t)hew father...to 1891.....I do not see any.
Searching FITZGERALD deaths with father Mat(t)hew father......I do not see any.
Births might not be recorded at isolated locations. Matthew FIRZPATRICK dies a trauma (unexpected) death......and there is someone around who can name his parents for the death certificate?.
That death certificate, 1890, might be useful to your research.
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The death of Mary as listed by Wivenhoe in reply #5 in 1906 is in my opinion the correct one.
In this news item reporting the death at her daughter's home, Mrs Byrne, W A papers are requested to copy. Seems likely that there were relatives of the KIERNAN/FITZPATRICK families still there.
Colonist of 56 years aged 84.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/88110880?searchTerm=%22fitzpatrick%20auburn%20%20%22~12
Sue
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This daughter seemed to die of the same lung problems. Elizabeth in 1883
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/210516347
Sue
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The death of Mary as listed by Wivenhoe in reply #5 in 1906 is in my opinion the correct one.
I agree. :)
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Bridget Fitzpatrick married John Byrne, 20.11.1873, Sevenhill, Clare, SA.
Her father named John; his father named Patrick
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Thankyou all for the information .
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Once again thanks everyone for your help. I’ve been trying to digest all the information that was found.
I have a query.
It was posted that a Bridget Fitzpatrick married a John Byrne in 1873
but in the article dated 1892 it mentions John and E Byrne
and it is mentioned a daughter Elizabeth dies in 1883 of lung problems
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Refering back to post #5.
Mary Bryne dies in NSW and the newspaper says mother is E. Byrne, but the death record has parents as Bridget and John. Yes, confusing.
I believe the Elizabeth who died 1883 is a different daughter - probably not married.
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I would say the letter E ( E. BYRNE) in the newspaper report is a typographical error on behalf of the newspaper.
There was only one Mary BYRNE who died in that year at Broken Hill with father John and her mother's name was Bridget.
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?1
Sue
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:)
Hi, some questions or consideration ... perhaps rhetorical only.
:D could the newspaper have a typo ... E instead of B
:D could Bridget have been known as Biddy ? If so, what if that was Mis heard as Libby? And then others presumed Libby was her nickname for Elizabeth.
Just a thought or two
JM
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Ahh I see Sue has similar thoughts. I am on e reader, don't always get red warning on new posts.
Sorry Sue for duplicating.
ADD ... I have just now used the report to moderator button, suggesting this thread could be moved to main Australia board. 11.00 a.m. NSW daylight savings time.
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Here are some of the children of Bridget Fitzpatrick & John Byrne that I have found:
• Bridget Byrne b. 5.9.1874 Belalie, Burra, SA
• Mary b.1876; d. 27.4.1892 Broken hill, NSW
• Helena Anna Byrne b. 21.9.1879 Morgan, Clare SA
• Elizabeth Byrne b.15.8.1881 Blackrock, Frome SA
• John Joseph Byrne b. 12.4.1883 Morgan, Frome SA; d.12.11.1943 QLD
• Rose Byrne b.4.5.1885 Blackrock, Frome SA
• Catherine Byrne b.13.4.1887 Morgan, Frome SA
• Patrick F. Byrne b.1890 Broken Hill (WW1 enlistment papers available)
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Thank you for everyone’s help.
I have been searching for the past couple of days and came across Mary Fitzpaticks will. It mentions 2 more Chn. William and John.
I’ve also been also trying to find when John and Mary arrived in Aust and from where they came.
From the info provided Mary must have been born about 1822 and immigrated 1850 at age 28
If I have the correct John who died May 23 1900, he would have been born about 1816 and immigrated 1845 at age 29
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I found a mention in the papers of a Mary and Kate Smyth arriving Adelaide 1851 onboard CANDAHAR. I then could not find a passenger list to check ages, etc. , but you might have more luck.
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In May 1891 a John Fitzpatrick, 73y from Auburn was admitted to the RAH. He was a shepherd who’d arrived 41 years earlier from Ireland on the "Agincourt".
He’s #830 on the following page: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS6D-8SJR-7
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Thankyou so much.
I looked up the passenger list for the Agincourt arriving 1850 and couldn’t find him.
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On the “Agincourt” arriving NSW 8 April 1852 there is
John Fitzpatrick, age 21, a ploughman and farm labourer from Kilkenny Ireland, Roman Catholic, able to read and write.
With him is a brother James, age 18
Added: I think this is the wrong man - I think it is the John who married Mary Flannagan.
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Do you think the John Fitzpatrick who died 23 May 1900 is the one who was married to Mary Smyth/Smith.
So born around 1816 and immigrated around 1845 at age 29
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Yes, I do think that is probably the correct death. His age at death and immigration time could be very approximate in the newspaper report. I would look at his marriage record for a better idea of his age, and other details that might be useful in tracking him.
He may not have come directly into Adelaide. He could have arrived in any other state and made his way to SA.
Added: Another voyage of the "Agincourt" also came in to NSW in 1848 - but no sign of a John Fitzpatrick there.
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This is what I’ve found . Please correct any mistakes
John Fitzpatrick b: abt 1816 d: May 23 1900 Auburn SA,aged 84 - colonist of 55 yrs
Mary Smyth/Smith b: abt 1822. d: March 23 1900 aged 84 -
colonist of 56 yrs
Chn
Thomas 1854- Dec 2 1877 Laura SA
Matthew 1855- April 15 1890 QLD
Margaret 1858!!- Aug 31 1891 Mt Barker SA
m: Arthur Kiernan/Kearnan July 28 1879 Mt Barker SA
Elizabeth abt 1861- Sept 6 1883 New Auburn SA
William 1863 !!!
John 1865!!!
Bridget 1866!!! - Aug 4 1922
m: John Byrne Nov 20 1873
If anyone can add further names/ dates I’d greatly appreciate it
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RE... I’ve also been also trying to find when John and Mary arrived in Aust and from where they came.
From the info provided Mary must have been born about 1822 and immigrated 1850 at age 28.
A possibility for these SMITHs from Westmeath, Ireland on the ship Sultana that arrived 24 Jul 1850.
Elizabeth 43 - mother
Mary 23
Matthew 22
Is it a coincidence that two Fitzpatrick children were named Elizabeth and Matthew?
Essie
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I wish it was a coincidence-but if you go by Mary Fitzpatricks death notice - she died at age 84 in 1906-which would make her 28 in 1850
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What documents do you have for BDM events in the lives of the people named so far?
At reply #31
Death for Mary FITZPATRICK is 23 Mar 1906
Birth year for Bridget FITZPATRICK, married 1873, will not be 1866. Where do you see an indication of birth year for Bridget BYRNE nee FITZPATRICK?.
The marriage certificate, FITZGERALD - SMYTH, 1853, would be useful for your research.....it is the earliest evidence you have for John FITZPATRICK and Mary SMYTH.
Names of witnesses on the marriage certificate might lead to other family members. Guided by her reported age at death, 1906, Mary FITZPATRICK nee SMYTH would seem to be older at marriage that usual for the times.
Where are John FITZPATRICK, died 1900.....and wife Mary FITZPATRICK died 1906.....buried.
Are there other burials in the same plot?
The Will for Mary FITZGERALD (Familysearch) and written August 1905, names her children....John FITZPATRICK....William FITZPATRICK....Bridget BYRNE.
The order of naming might suggest their birth order....John before William, William before Bridget.
Bridget lives in Clare, South Australia. Location is not used to identify her in this instance. Does that suggest that John and William, at 1905, are also resident in South Australia?
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Sorry. 1866 I’d definitely the incorrect birth date for Bridget Fitzpatrick
I tried looking for the burial place for both John and Mary but no luck.
If you go by the death notices in Trove ,Mary would have been 28 when she arrived in Australia around 1850
John would have been 29 and arrived around 1845
So at time of marriage Mary 31,John 37.
2nd marriages!!!