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Title: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 04 January 21 10:32 GMT (UK)
Hi all, happy new year to you all,
I have the above in the 91 census, but have failed to find him in the 71, or 81. He was born 1864, his mother is Phoebe b 1841.

Please can someone help?
Thank you
Lis
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 11:11 GMT (UK)
Maybe you would like to give us the details for him on the 1891 census  :-\
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 04 January 21 11:21 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry Rosie99, I should have given you more info.
So we have Phoebos Chappell 50 b Mortomby 1841
Richard b 8164 Thorpe Hesley
Joseph b 1868 Thorpe Hesley
Ernest b 1878 Thorpe Hesley
Jennett b 1885 Thorpe Hesley
big gaps in the births of the last 2 children
I found a Thomas Chappell with a Phoebe nee Jackson with different children, no marriage for these two. All very puzzling.
Thanks
Lis
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 11:49 GMT (UK)
1871 I think they are surname Thornhill
Piece   4657
Folio 72
Page 17

Joseph Thornhill 44 bn Bolton, Yorkshire
Phoebe 30 bn Darnall
Richard 8 bn Ecclesfield
Joseph 4 bn Ecclesfield
Albert 1 bn Ecclesfield

In a separate household is Mary Chappell a widow age 69 bn Rotherham
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 12:00 GMT (UK)
If the 1871 is correct then still surname Thornhill in 1881
Hesley Lane, Ecclesfield,

RG11 Piece  4617 Folio 66 Page   44

Joseph 53
Phoebe 41
Richard 18
Joseph 14
Albert 11
Harry 8
Ernest 4
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 04 January 21 13:26 GMT (UK)
wow thank you rosie99, lots for me to check up on here. This is not my family, am doing this for a friend.
Lis
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 14:02 GMT (UK)
Deaths Dec qtr 1883 
THORNHILL    Joseph    age 54   
Wortley    9c   156
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 04 January 21 14:04 GMT (UK)
Thank you, very puzzling
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 14:07 GMT (UK)
Births

THORNHILL, JOSEPH       mmn CHAPEL 
GRO Reference: 1867  June Quarter in WORTLEY  Volume 09C  Page 230


THORNHILL, ALBERT       mmn CHAPEL 
GRO Reference: 1870  June Quarter in WORTLEY  Volume 09C  Page 224
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 14:10 GMT (UK)
CHAPEL, RICHARD       -  (no mothers maiden name on index)
GRO Reference: 1863  June Quarter in WORTLEY  Volume 09C  Page 20
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 04 January 21 14:12 GMT (UK)
wonderful thank you Rosie99, what does mmn mean, and why Thornhill instead of Chapel, name change?
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 15:06 GMT (UK)
mmn - mothers maiden surname.

If the Richard Chapel birth registration is correct then he appears to have been illegitimate but you would need the certificate to confirm his mother is Phoebe.   The next 2 Joseph 1867 and Albert 1870 presuming they are the correct registrations are registered under their fathers name with mothers maiden surname Chapel
Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 04 January 21 15:25 GMT (UK)
Phoebe/Phebey and her mother Mary are in Ecclesfield in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KF-H82

Title: Re: Richard Chappell of Thorpe Hesley
Post by: lisingreece on Monday 04 January 21 17:18 GMT (UK)
Wonderful Rosie99, thank you so much, I understand what went on now.

Thank you again.

Lis