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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: gower on Saturday 02 January 21 17:45 GMT (UK)
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Hello I am researching the Lloyds.
Thomas was born in 1819, he was a schoolmaster at a navigation school and was a Master of a Barque. He died in 1864 and is buried at Henfynyw. According to his marriage certificate, his father is Thomas Lloyd.... Gentleman.
Who is he? I would love to find Thomas the Gent?
Does anyone have local historical info not online?
Thanks
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Where do you have Thomas bn 1819 on census in 1851.
Who did he marry and when, who were the witnesses
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burial 5 Feb 1864 notes his address as Alban Square, Aberayron.
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I can now see them in 1851 - he married Jane Caleb but does not appear anywhere on census with Jane and the children, how do you know that he was born in Cardigan.
1851 -HO107/2484 F9 Page 11
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Don't think the op mentions a birth in Cardigan or Cardiganshire but the Welsh mariner's index gives Cardigan as his place of birth.
http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/
Possible baptism 3 April 1819 in Llandysiliogogo for Thomas, bastard son of Thomas Loyd, gent, and Sara Jenkin, servant. The abodes are rather faded. I'll see what I can find.
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forgot the death notice, name of the barque matches the one mentioned on Welsh Mariners Index
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3037668/3037669/11/
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Where do you have Thomas bn 1819 on census in 1851.
Who did he marry and when, who were the witnesses
Unfortunately he was not on any census record as he was at sea
The witnesses on the marriage are not Thomas
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burial 5 Feb 1864 notes his address as Alban Square, Aberayron.
Yes, correct
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I can now see them in 1851 - he married Jane Caleb but does not appear anywhere on census with Jane and the children, how do you know that he was born in Cardigan.
1851 -HO107/2484 F9 Page 11
From his masters certificate
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forgot the death notice, name of the barque matches the one mentioned on Welsh Mariners Index
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3037668/3037669/11/
Yes correct
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Don't think the op mentions a birth in Cardigan or Cardiganshire but the Welsh mariner's index gives Cardigan as his place of birth.
http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/
Possible baptism 3 April 1819 in Llandysiliogogo for Thomas, bastard son of Thomas Loyd, gent, and Sara Jenkin, servant. The abodes are rather faded. I'll see what I can find.
Interesting..... it’s a long Way from cardigan.
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Don't think the op mentions a birth in Cardigan or Cardiganshire but the Welsh mariner's index gives Cardigan as his place of birth.
http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/
Possible baptism 3 April 1819 in Llandysiliogogo for Thomas, bastard son of Thomas Loyd, gent, and Sara Jenkin, servant. The abodes are rather faded. I'll see what I can find.
Interesting..... it’s a long Way from cardigan.
But..... the mariners register does not quote anyone as being born in Cardiganshire only cardigan.
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This link mentions a Thomas Lloyd also known as Twmi Llwyd
https://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/ernest-richmond-horsfall-turner/walks-and-wanderings-in-county-cardigan-being-a-descriptive-sketch-of-its-pictu-ala/page-11-walks-and-wanderings-in-county-cardigan-being-a-descriptive-sketch-of-its-pictu-ala.shtml
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you can search by county of birth but under place of birth it shows e.g. Aberaeron, Borth, Cardigan.
The entry for your Thomas has under place of birth Cardigan, year of birth 1819, CC or CS 3387, Reg Ticket 505812, capacities 1m 1852 OC53, Kew ref 122/4.
The abode for Sara is Goyffos
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q6f/
The road just to the south is the turnpike road from Cardigan.
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Osprey, Thank you very much for your help.
I do think that Thomas Lloyd is the illegitimate son of Thomas Lloyd and Sara Jenkin. Llandysiliogogo
Sara also had another illegitimate son in 1822 (John Evans)
Unfortunately I cannot work out where Thomas Lloyd senior lived and have failed to find him in the area.
On an earlier post, I mentioned Twmi Llwyd. I have now received a copy of Newquay and Llanarth by WJ Lewis. Page 26 of the book states that Twmi Llwyd, was Thomas Lloyd Evans Grandson of Jeremiah. He also had a navigational school but the book states Twmi was a Bachelor. So not the same Thomas Lloyd
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no, I've played around with filters but can't make anything much of the abode. There are at least a couple of candidates for for Thomas, gent:
Thomas Lloyd of Coedmore
1841https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M779-1P6
& Thomas Lloyd of Bronwydd
1841 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M779-BL3
The first Thomas died 1857
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3054851/3054854/20/
and his will is online it is long & complicated.
The second one died in 1845 "awful sudden"
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3051973/3051976/25/
his will also online, even longer. I noticed that this Lloyd family also had a property called Cilrhiw/Cilrhue and I wonder if this is what the baptism register says.
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thank you for that information.
I have asked the Ceredigion Archives if they have the original Baptism record, if so, they may be able to decipher the residence of Thomas Loyd.
It's interesting you mention Cilrhiw as it is in the same area as Llandysiliogogo
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/12ba8bbd-2418-4b5f-a1a5-a3dd2e003b93
We may have the right Thomas !
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This was a very interesting read too
http://www.glen-johnson.co.uk/coedmore-mansion/
Thomas Lloyd of Coedmore was described as
notorious in a free-and-easy age and society for the number of his bastards, several of whom, when they grew up, served their father in a domestic capacity at Coedmore. He is said once to have shocked a rather particular judge at the Assizes by playfully pointing out to him that the coachman who was driving him and the footman in attendance were some of these illegitimate hopefuls. He was, however, reckoned generous towards a succession of mistresses, for he granted them all small farms or holdings on the Coedmore estate on long leases at low or nominal rents. His own sons born in wedlock did not fare so well. In order to be spared the trouble and expense of keeping and educating them, the three young Lloyds were put out to walk, like foxhound puppies, on the outlying farms, and it was only after much entreaty from a neighbour that the eldest son and heir was at last sent to school at Rugby and later was allowed to read for the Bar…
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I think that is the original of the baptism available via Findmypast and Ancestry.
Hadn't spotted that about Thomas Lloyd of Coedmore. How interesting!
A couple of candidates to look at anyway.
;D
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I think it’s the latter Thomas, he from Bronwydd and Cilrhiw... but I just need the evidence ☹️