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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: babykate on Thursday 31 December 20 16:28 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help with more info on a Thomas Loftus and Mary Egan possibly married 31march 1870 although this hasn’t been confirmed. They had 10 children Mary / Maria being the first 15 April 1871 and Michael being the last in 1890.
Mary Egan died sometime after Michael was born but before 1901 as her husband Thomas is listed as a widower in 1901 census.
So I’m really looking for their marrriage or birth certificates to try and work back a generation.
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......Maria being the first 15 April 1871.......
Just putting up the link for Mary...... born 22nd April 1871.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03292/2217190.pdf
Can't see a marriage for her parents.
KG
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Here you are - 1870 Tubbercurry district
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11376/8176806.pdf
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It helps if you post links to details you've already found to save us from looking for the same information.
Is this the family in 1901? Sin Michael 8 years old.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Kilgarvan/Bunnyconnellan/1572628/
Son Michael born 8 May 1890-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02426/1903388.pdf
Can't see a possible death in Ballina district 1890-1901 so perhaps she died away from home and you might need to expand the search area if her death isn't found.
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In the 1870 marriage, Mary Egan was residing in the townland of Castlerock.
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/leyny/kilmacteige/breencorragh/castlerock/
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On Thomas death record below - does it say he was an Army Pensioner?? I can’t make it out, if so how could I find out about his army record - I can’t find any trace of him in any records I’ve searched?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1958/04372/4134561.pdf
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Yep, it says Army Pensioner. He's likely to have been in either the British Army or maybe the Irish Army.
KG
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On Thomas death record below - does it say he was an Army Pensioner?? I can’t make it out, if so how could I find out about his army record - I can’t find any trace of him in any records I’ve searched?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1958/04372/4134561.pdf
Where and which records have you searched?
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I’ve searched the military records on Irish genealogy, the Irish volunteer records, forces war records, ancestry and probably a few others. I can find a Thomas Loftus from the same area in the volunteers but his date of birth and parents don’t match . . . .
But I’ll keep looking.
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http://mspcsearch.militaryarchives.ie/norecs.aspx?error=
This is typical search result
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Why would patrick Loftus with a father John Loftus and a mother Margaret gallagher have “Dalton” included in surname....
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246700/007246700_00162.pdf
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Why would patrick Loftus with a father John Loftus and a mother Margaret gallagher have “Dalton” included in surname....
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246700/007246700_00162.pdf
Perhaps to distinguish him from other people named Patrick Loftus? There may have been more than one Loftus-Gallagher marriage and potentially more than 1 Patrick Loftus with a Gallagher mother. His father, John Loftus may have had Dalton added to his name in census and land records to distinguish him from others in the townland with the same name.
You could try to find John Loftus on Griffiths' Valuation to see how his name was recorded on that.
I'm descended from a Loftus-Walsh marriage and it can't have been the only one.
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Here you are - 1870 Tubbercurry district
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11376/8176806.pdf
He gave his age as 28 and she 25 so they were born well before birth registrations began.
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So on ancestry i have found a Thomas Loftus with a brother patrick who enlisted his Reg number in RD fusilers was 26983.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1219/images/30971_172284-00929?treeid=113834766&personid=220142446203&hintid=1018628402762&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qMg19&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.76735510.2047386366.1609928113-818731067.1609928113&_gac=1.250881714.1609928131.EAIaIQobChMIwfLuxImH7gIVkb7tCh1BfQzPEAAYASAAEgLU8vD_BwE&pId=1187886
but how can i be sure its him?
There was another Thomas loftus from Bonniconlon at the same time who had quite a colourful career in volunteers so i don't want to confuse the two - its possible that the other Thomas Loftus joined army to get experience to bring to volunteers??
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So on ancestry i have found a Thomas Loftus with a brother patrick who enlisted his Reg number in RD fusilers was 26983.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1219/images/30971_172284-00929?treeid=113834766&personid=220142446203&hintid=1018628402762&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qMg19&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.76735510.2047386366.1609928113-818731067.1609928113&_gac=1.250881714.1609928131.EAIaIQobChMIwfLuxImH7gIVkb7tCh1BfQzPEAAYASAAEgLU8vD_BwE&pId=1187886
Just a gentle reminder to use RootsChat's URL shrinker when posting a long link.
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If you post an Ancestry/FindMyPast etc link like that, only people who have a specific subscription will be able to help you. Much better to post a snip from the page.
KG
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BabyKate,
You ask relevant questions and we are trying to help.
Is the information we offer any use to you?
Did the Loftus/Egan marriage above help?
Was this Bonniconlon information of help?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=842202.msg7087412#msg7087412
It is just nice to know if we are helping you with your searches.
Heywood
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Really helpful Heywood - its amazing how a little nudge in the right direction can get you going again ;)
Sometimes when you are too close to and going round in circles someone looking from the outside in makes it all seem obvious.
Its a fantastic tool - we'd be lost without it.
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On Thomas death record below - does it say he was an Army Pensioner?? I can’t make it out, if so how could I find out about his army record - I can’t find any trace of him in any records I’ve searched?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1958/04372/4134561.pdf
Age recorded at death was 72 if transcription is correct. I thought at first it was 92. This can't be the Thomas Loftus who married in 1870. It's unlikely that a person who married in 1870 would be alive 88 years later in 1958. The man who married Mary Egan in 1870 said he was 28, therefore born around 1842. The informant for the 1958 death was the widow of Thomas.
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That’s partly why I asked if our information was helpful, Maiden Stone.
There are various Loftus threads by babykate and not all seem to link with each other.
As there has been little/no feedback, I wondered if our replies were helpful in sifting out the right Loftuses.
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Heywood, my ancestor was Thomas Loftus with wife Mary + children with the same names as some of the children of Thomas Loftus & Mary Egan.
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So Thomas Loftus Snr married Mary Egan in1870 in sligo.
They had 10 children 8 living - one of which was Thomas Loftus who married Philomena Robbins 29 Aug 1923 inTullamore or kilkenny. It is this Thomas who died in 1958 who is listed as being army pensioner . . . . .
I did find an army record for RD Fusilers May 1916 reg no. 26983 but not sure if it is him - he did have a brother Patrick but as I say there was another Thomas Loftus . . . . So I don’t want to mix them up.
The other Thomas Loftus is mentioned in the below site
https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/bonniconlon/history/thomas-loftus-irish-volunteer.html
But this is my Thomas Loftus in 1901 and 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Kilgarvin/Bunnyconnellan_West/700547/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Kilgarvan/Bunnyconnellan/1572628/
Hope this helps clarify :)
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This is the “other” Thomas
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Kilgarvan/Rathreedaun/1572912/
John and Bridget being parents but also has a brother Pat / Patrick
So I’m not sure which one the RD Fusilier record belongs to . . . .
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The Thomas Loftus who was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers is this one that you gave earlier
On at least one of his papers, Patrick is used and crossed through which may be indicated below.
‘26983 Private Patrick/Thomas Loftus, Medal Card gives enlisted 15 May 1916, discharged sick on 30 May 1918’
From
https://www.dublin-fusiliers.com/other-ranks/26000s/26000s.html
He is shown as 26 yrs in 1916.
The Volunteer that you mentioned, joined during the period when the one above was in the RDF.
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Entry for my Thomas Jnr birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01392/1572433.pdf
Would have made him 30 and not 24 in 1916 as per RD Fusiliers - so maybe not him after all?
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He is 26 in the army records but sometimes these records are not always correct.
Your Thomas has an older brother Patrick who would likely be next of kin.
The other Thomas is younger.
I don’t know apart from this.
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I think the best thing you could do is get one or two of his children's birth cert's to see what his occupation is,you may find he joined the Free State army after 1923 when hostilities had ceased or i wonder what is the significance of his birth being registered in Oct 1914 just after the start of WW1.
By the way his brother in law John Sean or Seagan Robbins a Sinn Feiner did many stint's in prison from 1919 to 1924 for both the British and Free State, see military pensions.
his marriage 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09219/5335441.pdf
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Interesting :)
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Thanks for all the help - I’ll keep you posted :)
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Entry for my Thomas Jnr birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01392/1572433.pdf
Would have made him 30 and not 24 in 1916 as per RD Fusiliers - so maybe not him after all?
He was born Dec. 1888 according to birth registration. If that date of birth was correct, he would have turned 30 in December 1918. He was aged 27 for most of the year 1916 if the birth date was correct. It's possible that he miscalculated his age.
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I did find an army record for RD Fusilers May 1916 reg no. 26983 but not sure if it is him - he did have a brother Patrick but as I say there was another Thomas Loftus . . . . So I don’t want to mix them up.
The other Thomas Loftus is mentioned in the below site
https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/bonniconlon/history/thomas-loftus-irish-volunteer.html
No mention in the article of that Thomas Loftus having been in British Army.
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I did find an army record for RD Fusilers May 1916 reg no. 26983 but not sure if it is him - he did have a brother Patrick but as I say there was another Thomas Loftus . . . . So I don’t want to mix them up.
The other Thomas Loftus is mentioned in the below site
https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/bonniconlon/history/thomas-loftus-irish-volunteer.html
No mention in the article of that Thomas Loftus having been in British Army.
As I posted earlier, the dates would overlap if the article dates are correct. The British Army papers have Thomas Loftus as 26 yrs and 0 months dated 19th May 1916.
If he was the one born December 1888, he should be recorded as 27 yrs and 4/5 months. (I think ). However, as his birth was not registered until 1914, it is difficult.
The other Thomas’ later life is detailed in that article.
There might be another Thomas around.
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With regard to ages, we know that records can be unreliable.
Just out of interest, I looked up some baptisms for the children of Thomas Loftus and Mary Egan.
Unfortunately, parish records don’t go beyond 1880 so none to be seen for Thomas.
John was baptised April 1880.
1901 shows him as 18 yrs old.
I can’t see a birth registration. I have looked for a few of the children and can’t find registrations :-\